Recent press release from the LDS church.

[_Yoda]

Do your disgruntlements expressed here inhibit belief in the core components of the gospel...Faith, repentance, gift of the HG, obeying the commandments, Sabbath Day observance, partaking of the sacrament, faith in Christ, etc.?

I would like to answer this question as well.

It is the core principles and values of the Church that keep me an active member.

The disagreements I have with what I believe are man-made tenets, such as plural marriage, the Church being run on a patriarchy, the racism which existed and shouldn't have, the Church refusing to apologize for its' part in MMM, etc...are the reasons I post here.

According to PP, Mercury, and rcrockett, this makes me a "Jack Mormon" and a hypocrite.

I respectfully disagree.

;)

[_Polygamy Porter]

Do your disgruntlements expressed here inhibit belief in the core components of the gospel...Faith, repentance, gift of the HG, obeying the commandments, Sabbath Day observance, partaking of the sacrament, faith in Christ, etc.?

I would like to answer this question as well.

It is the core principles and values of the Church that keep me an active member.

The disagreements I have with what I believe are man-made tenets, such as plural marriage, the Church being run on a patriarchy, the racism which existed and shouldn't have, the Church refusing to apologize for its' part in MMM, etc...are the reasons I post here.

According to PP, Mercury, and rcrockett, this makes me a "Jack Mormon" and a hypocrite.

I respectfully disagree.

;)

Hinckley would call you a hypocrite. Get over it.

[_Yoda]

Hinckley would call you a hypocrite. Get over it.

Really? Have you spoken with him lately? Why don't you call him up and ask him?

Edited to add---How the hell can you speak for someone you don't know?

[_Polygamy Porter]

Hinckley would call you a hypocrite. Get over it.

Really? Have you spoken with him lately? Why don't you call him up and ask him?

Edited to add---How the hell can you speak for someone you don't know?

Read his conference talks.
Many of the leaders have said there is no middle ground.

Mormonism is not a buffet. You will eat all 9 courses.

I see your point, at the end of the fiscal year, it boils down to whether you continue to pay into the corporation of the prez.

Believe what you wish sister, just keep that tithing rolling in.

[_Yoda]

Hinckley would call you a hypocrite. Get over it.

Really? Have you spoken with him lately? Why don't you call him up and ask him?

Edited to add---How the hell can you speak for someone you don't know?

Read his conference talks.
Many of the leaders have said there is no middle ground.

Mormonism is not a buffet. You will eat all 9 courses.

I see your point, at the end of the fiscal year, it boils down to whether you continue to pay into the corporation of the prez.

Believe what you wish sister, just keep that tithing rolling in.

I disagree. You can question tenets if it's done respectfully. I have not done or said anything here that contradicts my being a good member of the Church.

[_Jason Bourne]

Really? Have you spoken with him lately? Why don't you call him up and ask him?

Edited to add---How the hell can you speak for someone you don't know?

Read his conference talks.
Many of the leaders have said there is no middle ground.

Mormonism is not a buffet. You will eat all 9 courses.

I see your point, at the end of the fiscal year, it boils down to whether you continue to pay into the corporation of the prez.

Believe what you wish sister, just keep that tithing rolling in.

I disagree. You can question tenets if it's done respectfully. I have not done or said anything here that contradicts my being a good member of the Church.

RCrocket would and so would PP who broke when he found some difficulties but Pres Hinckley would not.

[_Polygamy Porter]

Hinckley would call you a hypocrite. Get over it.

Really? Have you spoken with him lately? Why don't you call him up and ask him?

Edited to add---How the hell can you speak for someone you don't know?

Read his conference talks.
Many of the leaders have said there is no middle ground.

Mormonism is not a buffet. You will eat all 9 courses.

I see your point, at the end of the fiscal year, it boils down to whether you continue to pay into the corporation of the prez.

Believe what you wish sister, just keep that tithing rolling in.

I disagree. You can question tenets if it's done respectfully. I have not done or said anything here that contradicts my being a good member of the Church.

Being a strong member of the church is apparently easy.

A few years ago, Hinckley stood at the general conference pulpit to report the membership numbers and said that the church was "11 million STRONG". So with the membership AT 11 million and Hinckley calling it 11 million STRONG, that would imply all of the members were active... We all know that far less than half are active at all.

Now given Gordos qualification of strong or active only being that you were baptized, you calling yourself a good member is somewhat meaningless, is it not?

[_mentalgymnast]

I disagree. You can question tenets if it's done respectfully. I have not done or said anything here that contradicts my being a good member of the Church.

Being a strong member of the church is apparently easy.

A few years ago, Hinckley stood at the general conference pulpit to report the membership numbers and said that the church was "11 million STRONG". So with the membership AT 11 million and Hinckley calling it 11 million STRONG, that would imply all of the members were active... We all know that far less than half are active at all.

Now given Gordos qualification of strong or active only being that you were baptized, you calling yourself a good member is somewhat meaningless, is it not?

Well, it looks like this thread has run its course if PP is in here taking potshots. I find it interesting that no one came to Elder Packer's defense. <g>

I suppose, if nothing else, we can reasonably conclude that Elder Oaks and Elder Packer were not given a fair shake by the producers of the documentary, "The Mormons."

Regards,
MG

[_harmony]

Well, it looks like this thread has run its course if PP is in here taking potshots. I find it interesting that no one came to Elder Packer's defense. <g>

What exactly did BKP need defended against?

I suppose, if nothing else, we can reasonably conclude that Elder Oaks and Elder Packer were not given a fair shake by the producers of the documentary, "The Mormons."

Regards,
MG

Defending the indefensible is sometimes difficult. What's important is, did the documentary give Joseph a fair shake? Was the reporting mostly evenhanded and unbiased?

If I recall correctly, Dr Peterson had few complaints.

[_mentalgymnast]

Well, it looks like this thread has run its course if PP is in here taking potshots. I find it interesting that no one came to Elder Packer's defense. <g>

What exactly did BKP need defended against?

Earlier in the thread I made the point that Packer was made to look like somewhat of a bumbling old man in the short video clip that was shown. I then juxtaposed that with the transcript of his interview which was posted by the church...not PBS. My attempt was to show that Elder Packer has a great deal more depth and breadth to his intellectual acuteness than was portrayed. No one else seemed to support that observation, and I see that as lacking vigor in coming to his defense. OTOH, if Packer had been given more airtime and had come across looking halfway intelligent, my guess is that there would be those that would be having a heyday with picking apart what he said, etc.

...Did the documentary give Joseph a fair shake? Was the reporting mostly evenhanded and unbiased?

I'm showing where it wasn't. I haven't had anyone really take issue with my point.

Regards,
MG