Red Ryder wrote: I like long walks on the beach, laughing at garments, and pointing out the institutional dishonesty of the church. I admire penguins and the occasional emu in high heels! Oh, and elephants from the Mayan jungle too!
thanks. i wasn't sure i had any friends left over there. good to see you.
"Rocks don't speak for themselves" is an unfortunate phrase to use in defense of a book produced by a rock actually 'speaking' for itself... (I have a Question, 5.15.15)
Red Ryder wrote: I like long walks on the beach, laughing at garments, and pointing out the institutional dishonesty of the church. I admire penguins and the occasional emu in high heels! Oh, and elephants from the Mayan jungle too!
thanks. i wasn't sure i had any friends left over there. good to see you.
Consider me your friend, ME. I have missed you.
"Be excellent to each other." - Bill and Ted “The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also.” - Mark Twain
Oh.my.gosh. Enough. I can't even. In the same thread with Red Ryder, Hagoth, Corsair, the Penguin, Fetchface, Allieoop, and, well the list is starting to grow. I have a confession. Tonight when I logged on and saw all you guys, I actually, for real, had to fight back tears. You all have meant so much to me. You have no idea. This past year 1/2 was pretty rough for me at times, particularly in my marriage. I kept meaning to get on NOM and share, but I always backed out as I started to type. But reading all your posts and insights, along with the other NOM posters, helped me get through a lot. Anyway, thanks.
I felt the same way when I saw this thread and saw some familiar faces. I'm old enough to appreciate the Cheers theme song. Ironic, huh? (Since most of you don't actually know my name!) But, I feel like we've been through a lot together. I will be sad if we lose all that history that we've created.
Good to see some of you here! SBM-- I hope things are improving with DH.
I enjoyed following NOM and occasionally posting there.
NOMinites, keep one thing in mind about this board, It is what the majority regulars make it.
Where ever the NOM future lies, one thing to keep in mind is that the Givens/Nu Order Mormonism appears to be Church sanctioned. i.e. Cafeteria, Middle Way, New Order Mormon's carry a name burden.
Nuanced Mormonism has found it's acceptance even at FairMormon.
Corsair wrote:...the fabled "Middle Way of Mormonism" does not really exist.
I think it does.
Regards, MG
No, it really doesn't. And your own prophets have told you repeatedly there is no middle way. Are you suggesting the prophets are leading us astray? Please repent and desist with your apostate beliefs. Thanks.
"Jesus gave us the gospel, but Satan invented church. It takes serious evil to formalize faith into something tedious and then pile guilt on anyone who doesn’t participate enthusiastically." - Robert Kirby
Beer makes you feel the way you ought to feel without beer. -- Henry Lawson
Corsair wrote:...the fabled "Middle Way of Mormonism" does not really exist.
I think it does.
President Hinckley wrote:Each of us has to face the matter—either the Church is true, or it is a fraud. There is no middle ground. It is the Church and kingdom of God, or it is nothing.
Holland wrote:Accept Joseph Smith as a prophet and the book as the miraculously revealed and revered word of the Lord it is or else consign both man and book to Hades for the devastating deception of it all, but let’s not have any bizarre middle ground ...
“When we are confronted with evidence that challenges our deeply held beliefs we are more likely to reframe the evidence than we are to alter our beliefs. We simply invent new reasons, new justifications, new explanations. Sometimes we ignore the evidence altogether.” (Mathew Syed 'Black Box Thinking')
I think some (rare) people can find the rumored middle-way, just as a few (rare) people can walk a wire across Niagara Falls, but they have to be the true Givensoinian type who actually love the church and find its teachings and teachers uplifting and they have to win the Leadership Roulette game in a big way.
For most of us it seems to be more about seeking - and hopefully finding - a new place of mutual respect with our spouses, families, and neighbors, which sometimes is more about thickening our skin and honing our sense of humor in the face of less-than-Christian behavior. The constant apostate hating I hear at church is merely an echo of the High Sheriffs' battle against a middle way where people might might choose to navigate according to their own moral compass instead of the corporate Liahona. I think they embrace the Givens attitude because it helps the butts-in-pews numbers and it doesn't question their authority to call the shots.
If Terryl an Fiona were to denounce The Brethren their books would vanish from Deseret Books and their concert tour would screech to a halt so fast it would make your head spin. But I think it's safe to say that they have had their calling and election made sure and that's a pretty damn big Pascal's Wager.
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"Be excellent to each other." - Bill and Ted “The easy confidence with which I know another man's religion is folly teaches me to suspect that my own is also.” - Mark Twain
President Hinckley wrote:Each of us has to face the matter—either the Church is true, or it is a fraud. There is no middle ground. It is the Church and kingdom of God, or it is nothing.
Hagoth wrote:If Terryl an Fiona were to denounce The Brethren their books would vanish from Deseret Books and their concert tour would screech to a halt so fast it would make your head spin. But I think it's safe to say that they have had their calling and election made sure and that's a pretty damn big Pascal's Wager.
I am a fan of theirs. Are you speaking tongue and cheek in regards to their calling and election made sure or are you privy to something the rest of us don't know?
