Religion isn’t going away, it’s transforming

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Re: Religion isn’t going away, it’s transforming

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I Have Questions wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:30 pm
Marcus wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:51 pm
That 'list' he gave was clearly A.I. generated. He's gone from hiding manipulative prompts to derailing threads with A.I., and now to simply representing A.I. content as his own work. He is dishonest and disingenuous, and as Everybody Wang Chung says, "quite the missionary." Using A.I. as he does is the epitome of 'lazy learning.'
Yep. It’s also against the new board rule.

For some reason he’s unable to do his own, properly referenced, research and posting. So now he masquerades his A.I. content rather than sticking to the rules.
I think that referencing the links that I have used in my research provides others the opportunity to read the source material and come to their own conclusions and/or do further exploration in regards to some possibly new/different information/insight that was made available through a board participant.

I know you feel differently. I respect that.

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Re: Religion isn’t going away, it’s transforming

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I Have Questions wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:30 pm
Marcus wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 7:51 pm
That 'list' he gave was clearly A.I. generated. He's gone from hiding manipulative prompts to derailing threads with A.I., and now to simply representing A.I. content as his own work. He is dishonest and disingenuous, and as Everybody Wang Chung says, "quite the missionary." Using A.I. as he does is the epitome of 'lazy learning.'
Yep. It’s also against the new board rule.

For some reason he’s unable to do his own, properly referenced, research and posting. So now he masquerades his A.I. content rather than sticking to the rules.
Yes, and it's clear it was A.I. because of the weird errors. You called out several, I just wanted to point out that the very first answer he posted was so incorrect it could only have come from A.I.:
I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:04 am
But maybe you have an example where the SLC LDS Church showed itself to be ahead of our time?
MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:01 am
Public support for nondiscrimination ordinances in November 2009.
You asked for an example of the LDS church being ahead of our time with a revelation, and MG's A.I. noted that AFTER
...the Salt Lake City Council approved new ordinances that forbid discrimination in employment and housing, based on sexual orientation...The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints supported the ordinances.

So his A.I. goofed. Saying a church supported legislation AFTER the legislation is voted upon and accepted is in no way an example of a church being ahead of its time with respect to revelation.

Additionally, SLC was already so far behind the times in not having this rule in place until 2009 that it renders the pronouncement of MG's A.I., that this is an example of being ahead of our time, even more ludicrous.
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Re: Religion isn’t going away, it’s transforming

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Marcus wrote:
Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:12 am
I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:04 am
But maybe you have an example where the SLC LDS Church showed itself to be ahead of our time?
MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:01 am
Public support for nondiscrimination ordinances in November 2009.
You asked for an example of the LDS church being ahead our time with a revelation, and MG's A.I. noted that AFTER
...the Salt Lake City Council approved new ordinances that forbid discrimination in employment and housing, based on sexual orientation...The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints supported the ordinances.


So his A.I. goofed. Saying a church supported legislation AFTER the legislation is voted upon and accepted is in no way an example of a church being ahead of its time with respect to revelation.

Additionally, SLC was already so far behind the times in not having this rule in place until 2009 that it renders the pronouncement of MG's A.I., that this is an example of being ahead of out time, even more ludicrous.
If not for outside pressure, I suspect South Africa would have abandoned Apartheid before the LDS Church would have let go of their racial policies.

However, the Church still maintains its influence in Utah, and it likely gave approval for the Salt Lake City Council to institute that non-discrimination policy as a way to mitigate the perception of Salt Lake and its Church.
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Re: Religion isn’t going away, it’s transforming

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Moksha wrote:
Sun Jun 29, 2025 5:35 am
[incorrectly attributed quotations snipped]
If not for outside pressure, I suspect South Africa would have abandoned Apartheid before the LDS Church would have let go of their racial policies.

However, the Church still maintains its influence in Utah, and it likely gave approval for the Salt Lake City Council to institute that non-discrimination policy as a way to mitigate the perception of Salt Lake and its Church.
Hey moksha, can you fix your quote please? You haven't attributed the sections correctly.

I hit the ‘fix post’ button in my DM app. How’s it looking now? -c-
Thank you, it looks great!! (A 'fix' button would be so incredibly useful in life...)
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Re: Religion isn’t going away, it’s transforming

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Marcus wrote:
Sun Jun 29, 2025 5:54 am
Moksha wrote:
Sun Jun 29, 2025 5:35 am
[incorrectly attributed quotations snipped]
If not for outside pressure, I suspect South Africa would have abandoned Apartheid before the LDS Church would have let go of their racial policies.

However, the Church still maintains its influence in Utah, and it likely gave approval for the Salt Lake City Council to institute that non-discrimination policy as a way to mitigate the perception of Salt Lake and its Church.
Hey moksha, can you fix your quote please? You haven't attributed the sections correctly.
Okay.
Moksha wrote:If not for outside pressure, I suspect South Africa would have abandoned Apartheid before the LDS Church would have let go of their racial policies.

However, the Church still maintains its influence in Utah, and it likely gave approval for the Salt Lake City Council to institute that non-discrimination policy as a way to mitigate the perception of Salt Lake and its Church.
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Re: Religion isn’t going away, it’s transforming

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Moksha wrote:
Sun Jun 29, 2025 6:00 am
Marcus wrote:
Sun Jun 29, 2025 5:54 am
Hey moksha, can you fix your quote please? You haven't attributed the sections correctly.
Okay.
Moksha wrote:If not for outside pressure, I suspect South Africa would have abandoned Apartheid before the LDS Church would have let go of their racial policies.

However, the Church still maintains its influence in Utah, and it likely gave approval for the Salt Lake City Council to institute that non-discrimination policy as a way to mitigate the perception of Salt Lake and its Church.
So okay means no? Omg, I am rotf, lmao!!! Your funniest joke yet.

Eta: Never mind, I asked a mod for help and they fixed it for you. Bless your heart, flying and typing are both hard!!!
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Marcus wrote:
Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:12 am
I Have Questions wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 8:30 pm
Yep. It’s also against the new board rule.

For some reason he’s unable to do his own, properly referenced, research and posting. So now he masquerades his A.I. content rather than sticking to the rules.
Yes, and it's clear it was A.I. because of the weird errors. You called out several, I just wanted to point out that the very first answer he posted was so incorrect it could only have come from A.I.:
I Have Questions wrote:
Fri Jun 27, 2025 9:04 am
But maybe you have an example where the SLC LDS Church showed itself to be ahead of our time?
MG 2.0 wrote:
Sat Jun 28, 2025 12:01 am
Public support for nondiscrimination ordinances in November 2009.
You asked for an example of the LDS church being ahead of our time with a revelation, and MG's A.I. noted that AFTER
...the Salt Lake City Council approved new ordinances that forbid discrimination in employment and housing, based on sexual orientation...The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints supported the ordinances.

So his A.I. goofed. Saying a church supported legislation AFTER the legislation is voted upon and accepted is in no way an example of a church being ahead of its time with respect to revelation.

Additionally, SLC was already so far behind the times in not having this rule in place until 2009 that it renders the pronouncement of MG's A.I., that this is an example of being ahead of our time, even more ludicrous.
Yes, his response clearly supports my point, the exact opposite of what he was trying to do.

He either didn’t understand the question, or simply cut and pasted the A.I. response without checking what it actually said.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Sun Jun 29, 2025 8:16 am
Marcus wrote:
Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:12 am
Yes, and it's clear it was A.I. because of the weird errors. You called out several, I just wanted to point out that the very first answer he posted was so incorrect it could only have come from A.I.:



You asked for an example of the LDS church being ahead of our time with a revelation, and MG's A.I. noted that AFTER
...the Salt Lake City Council approved new ordinances that forbid discrimination in employment and housing, based on sexual orientation...The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints supported the ordinances.

So his A.I. goofed. Saying a church supported legislation AFTER the legislation is voted upon and accepted is in no way an example of a church being ahead of its time with respect to revelation.

Additionally, SLC was already so far behind the times in not having this rule in place until 2009 that it renders the pronouncement of MG's A.I., that this is an example of being ahead of our time, even more ludicrous.
Yes, his response clearly supports my point, the exact opposite of what he was trying to do.

He either didn’t understand the question, or simply cut and pasted the A.I. response without checking what it actually said.
I also have reason to believe that MG at the very least severely bent the new A.I. rule, though there's another possibility. But I will need to make a comment on the A.I. megathread about it.
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Re: Religion isn’t going away, it’s transforming

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malkie wrote:
Sun Jun 29, 2025 4:46 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Sun Jun 29, 2025 8:16 am

Yes, his response clearly supports my point, the exact opposite of what he was trying to do.

He either didn’t understand the question, or simply cut and pasted the A.I. response without checking what it actually said.
I also have reason to believe that MG at the very least severely bent the new A.I. rule, though there's another possibility. But I will need to make a comment on the A.I. megathread about it.
Please do, I am very interested in your assessment.
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Someone needs to learn the difference between "referencing the links that I have used in my research" and posting an A.I. response.

Aw, who am I kidding. mentalgymnasts know the difference. They just lie.
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