“Peter Pan” is Unmasked as Mike Parker

[Marcus]

DanielPeterson Mod Ideeho

a day ago

Ideeho: "The vitriol would not be justified even if the concern were of significance, but to see it spewed with regards to (at least for me) a fairly trivial matter like geography amazes me. It saddens me too. As we were taught at Conference, contention is of the devil."

Exactly. Thanks.

http://disq.us/p/2tse054

So, is this Peterson beginning to distance himself from NNL/ Mike Parker debacle?

[malkie]

Mike explains how accusations of rejecting LDS leaders cause contention:

...We both accept that the gospel is true, that Joseph Smith translated the Book of Mormon by divine means, and that the Book of Mormon is a real history of real ancient people. We may disagree over how best to understand and interpret some of the finer points of those beliefs,
but when you insist that those who don’t interpret those points the same way you do are “rejecting the prophets” or whatever, you are only causing division and contention...

And in a post titled "Heartlanders and 'rejecting the teachings of the prophets' ” , literally, he provides multiple examples of "how accusations of rejecting LDS leaders causes contention":

...And yet it is becoming abundantly clear that it is Heartlanders who are rejecting the teachings of living prophets. For example, they insist upon claiming that their geographical theories have prophetic support (contrary to the explicit counsel of the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve), and they reject the teachings of apostles in General Conference about the identification of modern descendants of Lehi.

In just the latest example of Heartlanders rejecting the counsel of Church leaders, Rod Meldrum’s September 2021 FIRM Foundation EXPO has at least one speaker on the schedule who practices and advocates for “energy healing”:

https://www.nevillenevilleland.com/2021 ... phets.html

I thought that everyone knew that, unlike dowsing for water, “energy healing” is pure bunkum.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

DanielPeterson Mod Ideeho

a day ago

Ideeho: "The vitriol would not be justified even if the concern were of significance, but to see it spewed with regards to (at least for me) a fairly trivial matter like geography amazes me. It saddens me too. As we were taught at Conference, contention is of the devil."

Exactly. Thanks.

http://disq.us/p/2tse054

So, is this Peterson beginning to distance himself from NNL/ Mike Parker debacle?

Yes. The public posturing has begun:

Having witnessed the slander (ironic that these people would call Dan by that epithet while at the same time employing it almost exclusively from their angle...) Anyway, as I was saying, having witnessed the slander that they cast upon those who don't see things their way, I am reminded of the people who historically have been equally as intolerant. I don't hold much hope for any of them in the long run, because once you're intolerant to anyone to that degree, you've probably already kissed-away any connection to the Holy Spirit which you might have once enjoyed.

As we were so oft reminded in General Conference: Contention is of the devil

Ugh. I know, right? Ugh. Gracious me. Contention. Holy Spirit. Devil. Ugh.

When it comes to Book of Mormon scholarship, Jonathan Neville is the equivalent to an obnoxious armchair critic who can’t be bothered to lift a finger to do actual scholarship, but is instead content with taking potshots at real scholars from one of his bajillion different blogs or from his preferred vanity press, Digital Legend, home to most other published works about the Heartland hoax.

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Talk is cheap, Brother Neville. You can either sit in your armchair and take lazy potshots at real scholars who, by the sweat of their brows (imperfectly, of course), are trying to advance our knowledge of the Book of Mormon and Church history, or you can put your money where your mouth is by getting anything you write published in a reputable, peer reviewed academic venue.

Until such time, I’ll continue writing-off your ignorant criticisms of “M2C” as nothing but the ravings of a fringe conspiracy theorist armchair critic who can’t do anything but talk a big game and fool gullible people.

- CPT Hook (Smoot)

Will Brother Smoot atone for his contentious and devilish spirit? Will he apologize to his fellow Latter-day Saint for his dozens of attack pieces? We’ll see how seriously these people take the counsel of their current prophet.

- Doc

[Moksha]

DanielPeterson Mod Ideeho

a day ago

Ideeho: "The vitriol would not be justified even if the concern were of significance, but to see it spewed with regards to (at least for me) a fairly trivial matter like geography amazes me. It saddens me too. As we were taught at Conference, contention is of the devil."

Exactly. Thanks.

This could change both the face of Arrakis and apologetics. Kind and gentle apologists? Why not.
With this wisdom Grasshopper, you have taken a step to reenter the Lost Kingdom of Maxwell.

[Gadianton]

I have never called you names (like “Joker Jonny” or “Nutty Neville”), and I expect the same from you.

This isn't the first time an apologist has made a request like this. It cracks me up. They get to define the level of insults either way. If they respond out of the blue with jab (a), the rejoinder can not exceed a's magnitude. If ten minutes later the apologist throws out (b) which is greater than a, the rejoinder can't exceed b. The same also for the level at which you are allowed to accuse a geography of being unorthodox.

[Dr. Shades]

Talk is cheap, Brother Neville. You can either sit in your armchair and take lazy potshots at real scholars who, by the sweat of their brows (imperfectly, of course), are trying to advance our knowledge of the Book of Mormon and Church history, or you can put your money where your mouth is by getting anything you write published in a reputable, peer reviewed academic venue.

- CPT Hook (Smoot)

Just like Smoot himself does, I presume?

[Moksha]

Just like Smoot himself does, I presume?

Someone's being sarcastic.

[MsJack]

Just like Smoot himself does, I presume?

He's published two articles in Journal of Mormon History and several more in BYU publications (BYU Studies, Journal of Book of Mormon and Other Restoration Scripture).

Mainstream history journals do occasionally take articles on Mormon-related topics, and it doesn't look like he's breached those halls (not according to ATLA). But if you want to do work in the Book of Mormon or LDS history, those are pretty normal choices.

[Dr. Shades]

Just like Smoot himself does, I presume?

He's published two articles in Journal of Mormon History and several more in BYU publications (BYU Studies, Journal of Book of Mormon and Other Restoration Scripture).

Are they peer-reviewed, like what he’s demanding from Neville?

[Rivendale]

Just like Smoot himself does, I presume?

Someone's being sarcastic.

It shouldn't be forgotten that Smoot got the nickname Bukkake by reffering to it in a Facebook argument only to delete it later. Then claiming he learned the term from the Urban dictionary.