Philo Sofee wrote:I find this on the net with a quick search before I go eat dinner - "Isis was a protective goddess. She used powerful magic spells to help people in need. Isis was the wife of Osiris and the mother of Horus. Since each pharaoh was considered the 'living Horus', Isis was very important."
It makes perfect sense she is in facsimile 3, not as a man, but as the womanly goddess that she obviously was according to all the ancient Egyptian mythology, a mythology Joseph Smith did not tap into, inspiration or not. Joseph simply missed it by miles in his interpretations in the facsimiles.
Book of the Dead rituals in the papyrus vignettes which Smith used to create the printing press wood plates for Facsimile No. 1 & 3 were of late period Egyptian history and of low quality. The image of Isis was crude and unrevealing for those who know nothing about the Egyptian gods and their image and iconography. Smith figured he could do what he wanted with the pictures having no idea what it was really about. He couldn't have known that the funerary scenes were not one of a kind but common funerary religious scenes had elsewhere on papyrus, tomb walls, and monuments.
How is that Smith was not able to detect that Maat was really a female? It seems reasonable to think that anyone should be able to figure out that Maat was really a girl, except for Joseph Smith. It's rather odd. I think Smith had poor vision and failed to see the persons in the vignette clearly and his companions simply trusted in his interpretations assuming all was well because the Egyptian language and religion had not yet been deciphered by modern science and Egyptology. Smith must have felt safe saying anything he wanted about the papyrus because nobody could challenge him and disprove his revelations.
You know, I wish, I wish, I wish, that the LDS church would officially adopt zerinus' views on the subject matter. I wish they published his views and trumpeted them all over their website and also sent a publication to the major museums around the world letting them know that modern Egyptology is wrong and Joseph Smith knows better.
I wish! Nothing would make me happier than watch the LDS church take this destructive course of action and then watch it drown in its foolishness.
Shulem wrote:The image of Isis was crude and unrevealing for those who know nothing about the Egyptian gods and their image and iconography. Smith figured he could do what he wanted with the pictures having no idea what it was really about. . . . I think Smith had poor vision and failed to see the persons in the vignette clearly and his companions simply trusted in his interpretations assuming all was well because the Egyptian language and religion had not yet been deciphered by modern science and Egyptology.
Here is a little help for blind & dumb Joseph Smith, compliments of Wikipedia:
Joseph Smith is dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb, dumb
Shulem wrote:You know, I wish, I wish, I wish, that the LDS church would officially adopt zerinus' views on the subject matter. I wish they published his views and trumpeted them all over their website and also sent a publication to the major museums around the world letting them know that modern Egyptology is wrong and Joseph Smith knows better.
I don’t have any “views” on the matter, except that the English text of the Book of Abraham as we now have it (you know, the 10+ pages of English text), is an inspired translation of something that the ancient patriarch Abraham actually wrote down, a copy of was found on the Egyptian manuscripts that Joseph Smith had acquired. It is a true account, the word of God, and revealed scripture. That is all that I say with conviction and certainty—which I am sure coincides with the official position of the Church on the matter. That is all I say—nothing more or less. There is too much uncertainty about everything else to come to definitive conclusions. You are the one who is obsessed with making definitive assertions about matters for which sufficient information does not exist.
I wish! Nothing would make me happier than watch the LDS church take this destructive course of action and then watch it drown in its foolishness.
The destructive course I fear is being taken by you.
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zerinus wrote:The facsimiles appear to contain esoteric teachings the true interpretation of which have not yet been discovered; or relate to the Egyptian religious beliefs and iconography the details of which have not yet been fully understood. The Egyptologists may have discovered some truths, but not everything, and not enough to write off Joseph Smith.
Girls have penises!
It's a Mormon revelation from dumb Joe Smith.
PS. Would you trust a man who tells you girls have penisis?
zerinus wrote:I don’t have any “views” on the matter, except that the English text of the Book of Abraham as we now have it (you know, the 10+ pages of English text), is an inspired translation of something that the ancient patriarch Abraham actually wrote down, a copy of was found on the Egyptian manuscripts that Joseph Smith had acquired. It is a true account, the word of God, and revealed scripture. That is all that I say with conviction and certainty—which I am sure coincides with the official position of the Church on the matter. That is all I say—nothing more or less. There is too much uncertainty about everything else to come to definitive conclusions. You are the one who is obsessed with making definitive assertions about matters for which sufficient information does not exist.
I wish! Nothing would make me happier than watch the LDS church take this destructive course of action and then watch it drown in its foolishness.
The destructive course I fear is being taken by you.
I am happy to repeat it for you as many times as you like.
zerinus wrote:I don’t have any “views” on the matter, except that the English text of the Book of Abraham as we now have it (you know, the 10+ pages of English text), is an inspired translation of something that the ancient patriarch Abraham actually wrote down,
Wrong again.
As David Bokovoy, a faithful Mormon with a PhD in Biblical studies, has pointed out:
...the Book of Abraham's textual dependency on late Judean sources that came into being over a millennium after the time of Abraham, [make] it impossible to directly connect the book of scripture with the ancient Patriarch
Bokovoy, David Authoring the Old Testament Salt Lake City Greg Kofford Books pp.163
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
Fence Sitter wrote:As David Bokovoy, a faithful Mormon with a PhD in Biblical studies, has pointed out:
...the Book of Abraham's textual dependency on late Judean sources that came into being over a millennium after the time of Abraham, [make] it impossible to directly connect the book of scripture with the ancient Patriarch
Bokovoy, David Authoring the Old Testament Salt Lake City Greg Kofford Books pp.163
David Bokovoy speaks only for himself. He has been wrong about everything that I have ever heard or read of him relative to the faith of Latter-day Saints (including this one), and he carries zero credibility on such matters as far as I am concerned.
