MAD Juliann lies (via omission) through her pearly whites

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_beastie
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Post by _beastie »

So what you're saying, beastie is that DECEPTION is God's weapon of choice?


I doubt they view it as deception, although the victims likely do.

I'm just speculating, engaging in pointless mind-reading, so take it with a grain of salt, but it's how I have gradually come to view the approach of some apologists. Take John Clark's BYU devotional about the Book of Mormon and archeaology. He made some very misleading statements in that talk, that likely led listeners without adequate background knowledge to draw certain conclusions about the correlation between ancient Mesoamerica and the Book of Mormon that aren't true. But I suspect that Clark believes the Book of Mormon is true, and these assertions will actually be proven to be correct in the end, anyway, so it's not really deception. It's helping people believe in something that he believes is actually true, although the evidence currently doesn't support it.

So I believe that Juliann and others similar to her really do believe that this board and RFM are filled with bigoted, prejudiced, hate-filled people who are engaging in deliberate acts of deception in order to lead people away from the "one true church". So while a more thorough and fair analysis of the boards would lead to a more thoughtful and complicated assessment, it's still ok for her to make statements that, while not currently supported by a fair analysis of all the evidence - such as the context of the thread (! so ironic that believers harp that critics ignore context !) - she still fully believes are TRUE.

Take the Charity brouhaha for example. The evidence did NOT support that anyone here had EVER mocked Charity for being disabled. But the people who insisted that had been the case, in my opinion, still believed that someone had done so, and we had just managed to erase all trace of it. They believe it because we are 'antimormons' who are hateful, bigoted, prejudiced people capable of such behavior. So it's ok to let that accusation stand even without supporting evidence.

I don't know if this actually portrays their thought processes or not. But it's the only way I've been able to make sense of their behavior.
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.

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Post by _Bond...James Bond »

Jersey Girl wrote:After reading the comments here about how that thread closed, I looked at it myself. No surprises there.

It's difficult to second guess just what Juliann's intentions were throughout the exchanges however her first mistake (I stop short of giving her credit for using a tactic) was posting various comments from both RFM and MDB as if to give the appearance in the mind of the reader that they are one in the same or at least comparable when that is not the case.

Next, Juliann admits that when she visits this board she uses the search feature to search on FARMS, FAIR and obscentities. (I think I'm going to use that specific quote as a tag line in my posts here, that was precious!) and doesn't bother to read the threads.

What that says to a thinking person is that Juliann's comments are based on ignorance of the board and nature of discussions here.

Then you have folks like charity who buy into someone like Juliann's characterization of this board (or RFM) as a gutter or whatever, because it likely makes her feel more righteous to stay away from gutters. So someone like charity, is operating off of Juliann's ignorance. A little gossip here, a little rumor there, a well chosen adjective or two and what you've got is some sort of image being passed around when what it is in reality is the simple proliferation of ignorance.

See how that works?

I find it peculiar at best, that there are people so willing to allow others to shape their viewpoints and do the thinking for them.

So back to Juliann again. She searches on FAIR/FARMS and obscenities then characterizes this board (or RFM) as containing filth. She can't report on the discussions or interactions here because, quite simply, she hasn't read them. Or so she claims.

charity doesn't want to read filth but is more than willing to sanction Juliann's reading filth (and actually searching for it!) because Juliann thinks for charity and forms her viewpoints.

Life is so much easier when there is no personal effort involved.

Last night I took a look at a thread started by Dan Vogel on MAD about his experiences on RFM, mainly because I participated in some of the threads on RFM where Steve Benson rounded up a cyber lynch mob to go after Dan. Somewhere through that thread there were more comments about this board.

See how they blurr the lines? It's either intentional deception or it's simply a case of ignorant confusion. I'm really not sure which but it's interesting to watch especially when I consider that one of the Z trolls posted on the Vogel thread and certainly one or more others who have knowledge of the Itchy Blog...preening for the masses who let others do their thinking for them.

Wow, a shrink would have a hey day with that!

Jersey Girl


What I can't believe is how wussy they are. Juliann acts like Xena, Warrior Princess (complete with sword, screeching war cry, and skimpy leather dominatrix outfit) having to fight we horrible monsters to protect some damsel. It's just a message board!! We aren't going to rip you limb from limb. Hell, many of us are on MAD!! It's the same people, with a little colour added in. We're nothing but the bloody comic relief from their uber-serious no-laughing lifestyle. Take a chill pill and unwind for two minutes. Jesus H. Christopher Colombus Ohio.

They need to stop whining about filth and gutter or whatever and get on here. The Celestial Kingdom is more than clean for their purposes. If they have something to say about what's written here, log in and say it here. Don't be an absolute tool for the Church.

Grow a pair!!!!

--ladies you are exempted from the last part. End of rant.

Bond... "Bloody Hell" Bond


Who want's to bet this gets a mention.

Edit: Although Xena is rather masculine, changed Conan the Destroyer to Xena over gender, so as not to suggest Juliann is manish.
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"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
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Post by _Yoda »

Jersey Girl wrote:Not too bad. I don't think I wanna drag Juliann's name around in my posts for very long though!


Love the sig line, Jersey Girl! LOL

As you can see, I have another of her priceless gems in my sig line.
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Post by _Yoda »

Bond...James Bond wrote:What I can't believe is how wussy they are. Juliann acts like Conan the Destroyer (complete with sword, loin cloth, and Adam's Apple) having to fight we horrible monsters to protect some damsel. It's just a message board!! We aren't going to rip you limb from limb. Hell, many of us are on MAD!! It's the same people, with a little colour added in. We're nothing but the bloody comic relief from there uber-serious no-laughing lifestyle. Take a chill pill and unwind for two minutes. Jesus H. Christopher Colombus Ohio.

They need to stop whining about filth and gutter or whatever and get on here. The Celestial Kingdom is more than clean for their purposes. If they have something to say about what's written here, log in and say it here. Don't be an absolute tool for the Church.

Grow a pair!!!!

--ladies you are exempted from the last part. End of rant.

Bond... "Bloody Hell" Bond


Who want's to bet this gets a mention.


*standing ovation* Bravo, Bond!

I knew there was a reason I always wanted to be a Bond girl! ;)
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Post by _Runtu »

Jersey Girl wrote:Juliann is intellectually incompetant. Why worry about what she calls you?

Jersey Girl


No, it doesn't bother me. It just reminds me of how ideological differences can really turn people against one another.
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Post by _harmony »

No, it doesn't bother me. It just reminds me of how ideological differences can really turn people against one another.


I look at the people on MAD, and then I look at the people in my ward, and I wonder how they can behave so differently yet believe exactly the same things. The people in my ward would not confront and challenge anyone questioning their faith; they'd ignore them, they'd reduce their interaction time to minimums, but they'd never get in someone else's face and spit on their shoes (figuretively or literally), even if challenged directly. I can't help but think that the people in my ward are a good cross-section of Chapel Mormons, and represent the average member very closely.
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Post by _truth dancer »

RFM and MAD are at opposite ends of the spectrum. There are some great people on each board and some pretty nasty, and mean spirited people on both boards. The only difference is one is one board is designed to defend the church, the other is a place for non-believers who have difficulties with the church.

I like this board because it has something for everyone and everyone can speak their mind or share their ideas.

There may be some conversation in which I do not wish to participate but there are also some interesting conversations that are fun.... something for everyone.

:-)

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Post by _Mister Scratch »

Perhaps this was mentioned elsewhere, but I found this post quite funny:

Orpheus/Scott Lloyd wrote:
charity wrote: @ Jan 23 2007, 02:35 PM) *

Is this a personal topic?


Yes but Mr. Vogel meets the criteria for a public figure.

This isn't FAIR anymore, we have our own way of doing things so our posters who are being trashed on anti-Mormon boards that they don't want to be on, or aren't allowed to, will usually be allowed to respond here.


Come now, Scottie-dog! It was never "fair" to begin with! LOL! Funny that they are now at least admitting that the fittingly named MADboard functions as a hiding place for the apologists.
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Post by _Brackite »

Mister Scratch wrote:Come now, Scottie-dog! It was never "fair" to begin with! LOL! Funny that they are now at least admitting that the fittingly named MADboard functions as a hiding place for the apologists.


Yeah, I really knew that Scott Lloyd was really the Moderator named ‘Orpheus' over there. Dr. Shades MD Message Board, is a Free Speech Message Board where all points of view are welcome. LDS Apologists such as Juliann and Daniel C. Peterson, do Not like Dr. Shades Message Board, mainly because of that fact. They won’t post on this Message board, mainly because they won’t be able to get the special treatment and the special privileges like that they have and continue to get to have on the MA&D Message Board over there.
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Post by _rcrocket »

Brackite wrote:. . . . Free Speech Message Board where all points of view are welcome.


Except those which support the Kingdom and the Brethren. Those points of view are mocked and not welcome.

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