guy sajer wrote:Is it possible that Mitt does not understand this doctrine as well as Makelan and his wife?
Would that make him ignorant too?
I seriously doubt it. Everyone who grows up in the church knows Christ will come to Adam-Ondi-Ahman to start off the millenium. Some may get caught up in who he's going to visit, what he'll do, where he'll go next, etc. but even my 7 year old knows when the second coming arrives, Christ is coming to AAA.
I'd bet that if you polled members in 3rd world countries, you'd find many who are unaware of this doctrine or who know of it only peripherally.
Not everyone pays attention to the same degree in Sunday School class.
God . . . "who mouths morals to other people and has none himself; who frowns upon crimes, yet commits them all; who created man without invitation, . . . and finally, with altogether divine obtuseness, invites this poor, abused slave to worship him ..."
This is what Mitt said, in regards to Stephanopolis' question:
Mitt Romney: I understand, but that doesn't happen to be a doctrine of my church.
Our belief is just as it says in the Bible, that the messiah will come to Jerusalem, stand on the Mount of Olives and that the Mount of Olives will be the place for the great gathering and so forth.
It's the same as the other Christian tradition. But that being said, how do Muslims feel about Christian doctrines? They don't agree with them.
There are differences between doctrines of churches. But the values at the core of the Christian faith, the Jewish faith and many other religions are very, very similar and it's that common basis that we have to support and find ability to draw people to rather than to point out the differences between our faiths.
The differences are less pronounced than the common base that can lead to the peace and the acceptability and the brother and sisterhood of humankind.
This is, in my opinion, what he should have said:
Mitt Romney: I understand, but that doesn't happen to be an accurate description of the doctrine of my church.
Our belief is that, as it says in the Bible, that the messiah will come to Jerusalem, stand on the Mount of Olives and that the Mount of Olives will be the place for the great gathering and so forth. We also believe that Christ will appear and reign in the US, and all over the world.
(If he had postured his remarks this way, it would have given more credence to his next statements, which I felt were very good.)
But that being said, how do Muslims feel about Christian doctrines? They don't agree with them.
There are differences between doctrines of churches. But the values at the core of the Christian faith, the Jewish faith and many other religions are very, very similar and it's that common basis that we have to support and find ability to draw people to rather than to point out the differences between our faiths.
The differences are less pronounced than the common base that can lead to the peace and the acceptability and the brother and sisterhood of humankind.
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So, what, you're calling Stephie a liar now? I'm taking him on his word that he asked Mitt if LDS believe that Christ will return to the US to begin the millenium. Do you have reason to believe otherwise?
Oh jeez, why are you making stuff up? He said no such thing. He simply said that Mormons claimed that Jesus would return to the US to begin his millenial rule. Perfectly in line with LDS teachings.
No, you are wrong still. Read above. He returns to Jerusalem to begin his erthly reign, at the mount of Olives.
So, what, you're calling Stephie a liar now? I'm taking him on his word that he asked Mitt if LDS believe that Christ will return to the US to begin the millenium. Do you have reason to believe otherwise?
Oh jeez, why are you making stuff up? He said no such thing. He simply said that Mormons claimed that Jesus would return to the US to begin his millenial rule. Perfectly in line with LDS teachings.
No, you are wrong still. Read above. He returns to Jerusalem to begin his erthly reign, at the mount of Olives.
Twist, weave, juke, jive, etc.
Does the LDS church teach that Jesus will come to AAA to take over the reigns of earth from Adam, and that this will mark the beginning of his millenial rule? (whether or not he will go and appear at Jerusalem after that is irrelevant).
Does the LDS church teach that Christ will come to the US (AAA)?
Yes or no please.
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...
Jersey Girl wrote:So, let's consider motive. If Romney did indeed lie, what do you all think his motive for lying would be?
Jersey Girl
He did not lie.
Indeed, he possibly could have been ignorant of the LDS teachings, in which case he wouldn't be considered a liar.
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...
Here Adam and his righteous posterity met (see D&C 107:53-57). Adam, other prophets, and faithful Saints from all ages will meet the Savior here prior to His Second Coming.
Looking eastward across the valley of Adam-ondi-Ahman, a quiet, beautiful valley located in northwestern Missouri near the community of Gallatin.
Three years before he died, Adam called his righteous posterity into this valley and bestowed on them his last blessing (D&C 107:53-56). In 1838 Adam-ondi-Ahman was the location of a settlement of between 500 and 1,000 Latter-day Saints. The Saints abandoned this settlement when they were expelled from Missouri. Before Christ’s Second Coming in glory, Adam and his righteous posterity, which includes Saints of all dispensations, will again assemble in this valley to meet with the Savior.
WK: "Joseph Smith asserted that the Book of Mormon peoples were the original inhabitants of the americas"
Will Schryver: "No, he didn’t." 3/19/08
Still waiting for Will to back this up...
truth dancer wrote:Do any other Christian churches teach Zion (the New Jerusalem) will be built on this, the American Continent?
Do any other Christain churches believe Christ is going to come to Missouri (to visit LDS leaders or appear in the LDS temple) prior to or during the second coming?
For Mitt to suggest the LDS doctrine is the same as other Christian churches is completely inaccuate and in my opinion, misleading.
~dancer~
Is is hardly misleading. We do believe, ilke other Christian Churches, that he will make the appearnce that is His second coming in Jerusalem.
But it really is a nothing issue yets based on the estatic glee of the ubder ex Mormons here to make hay about anything one would think it certianly is an issue of national security and interests and has HUGE bearing on Romney's ability to lead this nation.
Who Knows wrote:Maklelan - Your attempts to defend Mitt's deceitful comments are pathetic, and frankly, mysterious to me.
That's not a very convincing set of evidence you produce. Would you like to produce any?
Who Knows wrote:I can't figure out why you're keeping this up - i guess you have a valid reason, I just don't know it. Mitt BLATANTLY falsely answered the question, and your pathetic attempts at defending him drop your credibility a notch in my book - I view you as one of the more knowledgeable and reasonable apologists - but this is pushing it man.
Please quote the question and then show the blatant falsehood in the answer. I've been over it and I see nothing other than perfect accuracy in representing our doctrine.
