Just a reminder Sethbag, the He-Man Prophet Hater's Club meets Tuesdays and Fridays at Joe's Bar and Grill. We're having elections for Hater of the Year so be sure to show up. I know it's the wrong crowd, but we got beer and darts. Much better than Bible and water in my opinion.
Why me,
Who exactly is the wrong crowd?
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Why me wrote: Seth is 'boozing' it up, throwing darts with the RFM crowd. The tone of is fellow dart partners is affecting his judgement and tone. He needs to sit in the park, do some belching to let out the gas and join civilization. Or he could join the faye west charm school choir. That should do it.
Then return to MAD and have a dialogue carefully choosing his words and how he says his information. For after all, all posters are guests on that board. And guests should follow the host's rules.
Miss Taken wrote:WHy me, You are just wrong on Sethbag. His posting style has stayed pretty constant in my opinion. I agree with Dude. The moderating style has becoming a little more unusual...that's all.
Anyway, Seth (hopefully) will be back over there along with the Dude in the near future.
Yea, I like the dude and seth. But hopefully they will exchange darts for marshmellow toasting. And sing some church songs over the campfire. :=)
marg wrote:Sethbag, what country are you from? Were you raised by parents very religous? both Mormon? What influences do you think encouraged you to critically think... mainly from parents, from school, or no one in particular?
Do you consider yourself to be a critical thinker marg? What exactly is a critical thinker? Your post implies that apologists are not critical thinkers. I hope that I am wrong. If I am not wrong, it shows that you are suffering from an extreme form of elitism. And that is not what critical thinking is.
why me wrote: Why me wrote: [b]Seth is 'boozing' it up, throwing darts with the RFM crowd. The tone of is fellow dart partners is affecting his judgement and tone. He needs to sit in the park, do some belching to let out the gas and join civilization. Or he could join the faye west charm school choir. That should do it.
Does Seth even post at RFM? I haven't seen anyone named "Sethbag" over there.
"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
Here is where I think you and other critics (as well as apologists and me) could use a little improvement in our attitudes--for our own respective benefits. Sentiments such as this demonstrate an unhealthy measure of narrow/closed-mindedness and a rigid intollerance (sic) for differing beliefs and explanations. While some may not come to the same conclusions as apologist, the fact that they aren't prepared to condemn a revered...
I was with you pretty much until right here, Wade. You are correct, LDS revere Joseph Smith and critics don't. And LDS shouldn't. And he wouldn't have wanted us to. No man who ever lived deserves reverence. And when LDS revere Joseph Smith or any of the other modern prophets, they err. It's not the critics who err in this regard, it's the LDS. And critics cannot be faulted for pointing out the error. Back to your regularly scheduled comment.
I don't see what harm may come from honoring and respecting and admirring (with a tinge of awe) the life-long dedication of a man in helping to restore the gospel of Christ and love, which has brought immeasureable joy and spiritual enlightenment into millions of people's lives.
Now, you may chose not to do so. But I don't see how that makes it an "err" for me and other believing members to do otherwise.
Certainly, I don't see any value in me intollerantly claiming that you should revere him, or tell you that you err in not doing so.
why me wrote: Why me wrote: [b]Seth is 'boozing' it up, throwing darts with the RFM crowd. The tone of is fellow dart partners is affecting his judgement and tone. He needs to sit in the park, do some belching to let out the gas and join civilization. Or he could join the faye west charm school choir. That should do it.
Does Seth even post at RFM? I haven't seen anyone named "Sethbag" over there.
Yep, see his long post on page 3. He posts or posted on RFM. Thus, the wrong crowd influence. Hence, the need to do some belching to let out the gas. Nothing that alka seltzer couldn't handle.
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why me wrote: Why me wrote: [b]Seth is 'boozing' it up, throwing darts with the RFM crowd. The tone of is fellow dart partners is affecting his judgement and tone. He needs to sit in the park, do some belching to let out the gas and join civilization. Or he could join the faye west charm school choir. That should do it.
Does Seth even post at RFM? I haven't seen anyone named "Sethbag" over there.
Yep, see his long post on page 3. He posts or posted on RFM. Thus, the wrong crowd influence. Hence, the need to some belching to let out the gas. Nothing that alka seltzer couldn't handle.
I didn't know that. I guess I'm not over there very often anymore. I like a lot of the people on RfM, but I tend to ignore the more strident folks.
why me wrote:But the disrespectful posts and the somewhat bitter tone to his posts is unmistakable. And of course, I can understand him since he was an active member who became disillusioned. I have seen it happen on other sites with people in seth's shoes. But such an attitude will get someone banned eventually at MAD.
That's unfortunate, because it means MAD is going to end up driving away the Mormons who need the most help and support to stay in the community.
Not really.
Yes really. Look at Sethbag.
We have some new LDS posters who just came to MAD. LDS posters check tone and contention. They don't mind a disagreement but tone must be adequately respectful and the contention cannot seem to be coming from satan but from human reasoning. It is really that simple. More LDS posters are signing up....and the tone has improved.
You're looking at those who have signed up, instead of those you've driven off. That's the shortsightedness which is symptomatic of shooting your wounded. Your idea of the tone improving is more LDS posters who don't question, and fewer LDS and critics who do. Why is it that you don't care about those LDS members you've failed to help, or driven away?
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Can you link us to conversations you've had with believers in which you attempt to get them to also take responsibility for their own dysfunctional and anti-social behavior?
Thanks in advance.
Pick from any one of my threads and post here that dealt with that subject matter, and you will find me speaking specifically about myself, as a believer, taking responsibility for my dysfunctional and anti-social behavior. Will that suffice?
Please also keep in mind that there are believers here to whom my oft generic comments would apply to as well.
Please also keep in mind that I was banned/queued from FAIR for attempting to do what I have been doing here, and since the critics predominate on this board, whereas the opposite seem true there, my comments overall have unavoidably been directed at the critics with whom I have had open access--though I have slipped in a few posts at MA&D that fit your request (I just don't wish to take the time searching for them, particularly since it isn't relevant to me helping you and others here).
Thanks, -Wade Englund-
Wade, a couple of thoughts.
1) You have never, ever provided specific examples of critics' behavior that you aim to correct. The best you've ever been able to muster have been some pretty lame analogies involving yourself.
2) Beastie is right: although you most definitely have the opportunity to aim your "psychoanalysis" at TBMs, for whatever reason, you simply choose not to do this.
3) The threads you linked to are poor examples, since in each case your approach was thoroughly debunked.