Who is "Mr. Scratch"?

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_Ray A

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Jersey Girl wrote:I know who at least two of them were, which is why I find it laugahble to see you demanding to know Scratch's identity like you are here.


I still don't know Scratch's identity, and presumably never will. At least you know identities.

My play time is nearly up for the week, by the way.

Considering Scratch's precarious position in the Church, it's probably better his identity is not known. I am not "demanding" it be known, only that he stop his character assassination.
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Ray A wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:I know who at least two of them were, which is why I find it laugahble to see you demanding to know Scratch's identity like you are here.


I still don't know Scratch's identity, and presumably never will. At least you know identities.

My play time is nearly up for the week, by the way.

Considering Scratch's precarious position in the Church, it's probably better his identity is not known. I am not "demanding" it be known, only that he stop his character assassination.


You might want to look into the Z troll situation, Ray. There are at least two well known TBM posters "out here" watching you demand Scratch's identity all the time knowing that they went "under cover" in order to attack specific posters and in at least one case it's highly possible that one of them took measures to make themselves appear to be another well known TBM poster...and they're probably laughing their collective asses off watching you play the fool for them over and over and over again.

Hey, if you don't mind, I sure don't! I probably find it as amusing as they do.
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liz3564 wrote:
Coggins wrote:Then why, like Harmony, does he not understand some basic aspects of Church doctrine and organization?



What has he gotten wrong? You specified basic aspects of Church doctrine and organization. From a basic standpoint, Scratch has been on target. Now, I admit, some of his speculations regarding the SCMC have been a little "out there", in my opinion, but I don't really know much about that off-shoot of the Church, and I wouldn't consider it part of "basic" Church organization.


Liz, you are more than welcome to read any of the postings and publications upon which I've based my remarks on the SCMC. If I were you, I would start with the chapter in Quinn's The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power entitled (If I recall correctly) "Shadow Governments". You can also read various accounts relating to this online, including, I believe, one from Lavina Fielding Anderson.

Also, for the record, Coggins, a.k.a. Loran, a.k.a. Loran Blood, has had his butt kicked repeatedly and painfully by many on here, not only me. The sad fact is that, despite all his intensive Google-based education, he still cannot defend certain ugly aspects of Mormonism.
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Ray,

Per the OP question...

I'm guessing that Mr. Scratch is an old ZLMB participant under a different name. But then, I have no idea which ZLMB participant that would be; and, frankly, might well be wrong about the ZLMB connection altogether.

Does that help?

Don
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Now this part I can't quite agree with. I think that is what concerns people about Mr. Scratch. He's very good at tearing down Mormonism but I haven't really seen a proposal on how to fix things, let alone any answers to the existential questions that seemed to get us into this mess, whether it was our parents who sought them or we ourselves. To me what Scratch's beliefs are on the afterlife, prophets, whether we even need a Church or not, are very pertinent but I don't see him offering that kind of stuff. I don't care what his real name is.



This is a problem with me as well. We don't know his first principles, his genreal philosophy and world view. His politics appear strongly leftist, yet he denies this. He's a visceral anti-Mormon, yet claims to only want to fix the Church. He claims to hae degrees, and yet I've never yet met anyone who had one who wouldn't just tell me what they were as a matter of course.

Probably 70% to 80% of the material I've ever seen him post here is personal base(attacking posters here, at MAD, or FARMS scholars), as opposed to issue based.
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Liz, you are more than welcome to read any of the postings and publications upon which I've based my remarks on the SCMC. If I were you, I would start with the chapter in Quinn's The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power entitled (If I recall correctly) "Shadow Governments". You can also read various accounts relating to this online, including, I believe, one from Lavina Fielding Anderson.

Also, for the record, Coggins, a.k.a. Loran, a.k.a. Loran Blood, has had his butt kicked repeatedly and painfully by many on here, not only me. The sad fact is that, despite all his intensive Google-based education, he still cannot defend certain ugly aspects of Mormonism.



You see. There he goes again. Apparently, Quinn's sophisticated scholarly screed The Mormon Hierarchy: Extensions of Power is the only book Scratch has ever read outside of some works of Foucault and Books by the Tanners. He shows virtually no working grasp of the corpus of LDS scholarship upon the subjects that exercise him so. He shows very little working knowledge of political economy history, political theory, western philosophy, or any othe number of subjects that impact the strong and dogmatic positions he takes on modern political and social issues.

My education is not Google based, but literature and experience brassed (as if there's something wrong with Google. The Internet is the most powerful educational tool ever invented by man. Interesting how many here disparage it) Scratch hopes beyond hope that by repeating over and over again that he and others here have kicked my butt (strange, I don't recall this ever occurring), that the sheer repetition will make it so. He's done this to others here as well.

Scatch's primary problem is that he does not have the mind or intellectual temperament of a philosopher or serous thinker, but of a political activist and polemicist. These are different kinds of intellectual styles and key in coloring the way in which a person sees the world and conceives of the manner in which debate takes place.
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_Ray A

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DonBradley wrote:Ray,

Per the OP question...

I'm guessing that Mr. Scratch is an old ZLMB participant under a different name. But then, I have no idea which ZLMB participant that would be; and, frankly, might well be wrong about the ZLMB connection altogether.

Does that help?

Don


Don, if he was an old Z. participant he was unfamiliar with my posts there until recently. He seemed quite surprised at some of the content, which is well known to all who posted there, who post here now. His "revelations" are only news to those who are unfamiliar with Z. So I don't think this quite fits.

Just doing a short "rounds" before I get back to work.
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Post by _Gazelam »

Just throwing something in here. Scatch has defended the teachings of the church twice to my memory.

In my opinion he is a member of the church, but he has a problem with a few of the teachings, similar to Harmony. He might best be categorized as an "Ark Steadier" if you wish to pin him down.
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A few?
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Post by _Gazelam »

A few?


Try rummaging through my old "conversation with Scratch" thread. I think at one point he actually lists what his problems with the church are. I know one of them is that he wants church finances shown, and he wants women to hold the priesthood. There were others, but I don't remember them.
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