The Depressing Plan of Salvation

[_huckelberry]

I think one of the strongest teachings about salvation from LDS speakers is that we cannot be saved in isolation. It is a group possiblity. Now that idea is strong in Catholicism and is not entirely dead with Protestants. But for each group I wonder how well the help extends beyond boundaries of the chosen few whatever they may be. I think the best hope in Christianity is that the links of help toward salvation do not know boundaries.

I believe Gods concern and love is real and healing extends beyond the limits we fear.

[_truth dancer]

Hi Harmony...

Give me wings and call me an angel, I'm not interested in being a goddess. Or send me to a lesser kingdom, I'm not interested in being an eternal mother, hidden from her children. I have no interest in teaching anyone in spirit prison, nor do I expect to sit around all day, singing praises to God. Sounds pretty danged boring to me.

This is exactly why the LDS version of heaven (CKHL) never worked for me.

First, a mother has to send 1/3 of her children to outer darkenss? I mean this alone is enough to NEVER, EVER want to be a Goddess... then the idea of a Queen just never appealed to me (after about the age of 10). I just truly don't want to be a Goddess, Priestess, polygamous wife populating offspring for eternity.

That is why, even if the church is true, I am ok with not being one of the chosen. ;-)

~dancer~

[_Hoops]

Truth Dancer:

I find this ineresting and I am NOT picking a fight here. Just curious. Even if the LDS position is true - which most thinking people know is not - despite that you would rather not be a adherent based on your feelings? Isn't this what many find is the primary difficulty with Mormonism to begin with?

Just curious.

[_Doctor Steuss]

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First, a mother has to send 1/3 of her children to outer darkenss? [...]

~dancer~

Clarification. It was a "third part," not 1/3. I'm still trying to figure out what the "first part" and "second part" are though. *shrugs*

Also, I don't know how the LDS idea of a "third part" to Outer Darkness is any different than G-d arbitrarily sending the majority of His kids to burn in "hell" for simply not "believing" in His son.

[_beastie]

I find this ineresting and I am NOT picking a fight here. Just curious. Even if the LDS position is true - which most thinking people know is not - despite that you would rather not be a adherent based on your feelings? Isn't this what many find is the primary difficulty with Mormonism to begin with?

You would have a point if TD were saying that her negative feelings about the plan of salvation was some sort of viable "proof" of its falseness. That does not appear to be what she is doing, and in fact stated that IF it were true, she would rather be in a lower kingdom.

The critics' argument against "feelings" as used in the LDS paradigm, is often misrepresented by believers. Critics that I know of never argue that feelings have no purpose in life, but rather that feelings cannot represent some viable proof of some external reality, such as whether or not the Book of Mormon is an ancient historical document.

[_Trinity]

Also, I don't know how the LDS idea of a "third part" to Outer Darkness is any different than G-d arbitrarily sending the majority of His kids to burn in "hell" for simply not "believing" in His son.

It's actually an upgrade from traditional heaven/hell born-again theology. Neither is acceptable or befitting a benevolent being, in my opinion, but it is still an upgrade.

[_truth dancer]

Clarification. It was a "third part," not 1/3. I'm still trying to figure out what the "first part" and "second part" are though. *shrugs*

Also, I don't know how the LDS idea of a "third part" to Outer Darkness is any different than G-d arbitrarily sending the majority of His kids to burn in "hell" for simply not "believing" in His son.

So, what exactly is a third part?

I'm thinking a third part of a pie is, well a third of the pie.

A third part of mile walk, is about a third of the way.

A third part of homework assignment is about a third.

Please enlighten me! :-)

I agree with Trinity... the third part going to outer darkness and a handful of folks in the CKHL is not a whole lot better than the mainstream Christian belief of heaven and hell...

:-)

~dancer~

[Reflexzero]

Clarification. It was a "third part," not 1/3. I'm still trying to figure out what the "first part" and "second part" are though. *shrugs*

Also, I don't know how the LDS idea of a "third part" to Outer Darkness is any different than G-d arbitrarily sending the majority of His kids to burn in "hell" for simply not "believing" in His son.

So, what exactly is a third part?

I'm thinking a third part of a pie is, well a third of the pie.

A third part of mile walk, is about a third of the way.

A third part of homework assignment is about a third.

Please enlighten me! :-)

If I walk a mile in three parts, the first part could be .7 miles, the second part .25 miles and the third part .05 miles

Or, if I have 1,000,000 children. The first part could be 950,000, the second part 45,300, and the third part 4,700.

This is where it gets confusing though as we're never told what distinguishes the other two parts other than they weren't kicked out.

Edited to add: Structurecop once told me that the ABD had some interesting articles regarding dividing the angels into three categories (principalities, powers, and kingdoms).

I agree with Trinity... the third part going to outer darkness and a handful of folks in the CKHL is not a whole lot better than the mainstream Christian belief of heaven and hell...

:-)

~dancer~

Do you agree that it is an "upgrade" though?

[_The Nehor]

I have never met a Christian who believed they would not be with their loved ones in heaven. Eternal marriage is where Mormonism differs. The statement that other faiths believe they will not be with those they know and love is a popular misconception in the LDS church about other Chirstians.

Read C.S. Lewis

[_Who Knows]

It was a "third part," not 1/3.

Huh. I've never heard it described like that before. Even LDS.org has a ton of stuff saying it was 'one third'.