Gillebre wrote:Did I claim to be "a good apologist"?
No. I did not.
You don't seem to be a very good anti-mormon, because the LDS Church seems to keep growing. I mean, if we have people like you here everyday trying to spread the horrible truth about Mormonism, how is it continuing to prosper in it's dark secrets?
Dismiss witness as you like, but my point stands that if there were as many witnesses for a murder trial or something similar, as there were for the Book of Mormon, someone wouldn't be walking free for their crime. ;)
So your a moron too? Damn, not so good of an apologist AND ignorant as well.
Success does not indicate the truth. As a soso apologist, you should know at least THAT.
And crawling on the planet's face Some insects called the human race Lost in time And lost in space...and meaning
Gillebre wrote:Did I claim to be "a good apologist"?
No. I did not.
You don't seem to be a very good anti-mormon, because the LDS Church seems to keep growing. I mean, if we have people like you here everyday trying to spread the horrible truth about Mormonism, how is it continuing to prosper in it's dark secrets?
Dismiss witness as you like, but my point stands that if there were as many witnesses for a murder trial or something similar, as there were for the Book of Mormon, someone wouldn't be walking free for their crime. ;)
Gillebre, if success is a measure of truthfulness, then you're in the wrong church, buddy. The Jehovah's Witnesses are growing faster than the LDS, and so are Assemblies of God, Islam, and probably quite a few others.
Gillebre, how do you imagine radical, militant Islam is growing? How do you explain it? Your viewpoints expressed in this thread a very naïve.
Mormonism ceased being a compelling topic for me when I finally came to terms with its transformation from a personality cult into a combination of a real estate company, a SuperPac, and Westboro Baptist Church. - Kishkumen
My point with it growing is the fact that it is still growing. Those who murdered Joseph Smith thought they'd be ridding the world of Mormonism by 'offing the Prophet.
It has survived. ;)
I don't base my belief that it's true solely because it is growing, rather on a myriad of things. Growth and world-wide spread today is just one of them. :)
Gillebre
Apprentice Apologist
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints
Actually, I heard it stood for "Henrietta," not Humbert. Guy sajer, what sayest thou?
"Finally, for your rather strange idea that miracles are somehow linked to the amount of gay sexual gratification that is taking place would require that primitive Christianity was launched by gay sex, would it not?"
I don't base my belief that it's true solely because it is growing, rather on a myriad of things. Growth and world-wide spread today is just one of them. :)
It's been demonstrated to you that you ought not to base your belief at all on the fact that it has survived and grown.
Nor should you base your belief on eyewitness testimony.
Do you concede either of those points?
We hate to seem like we don’t trust every nut with a story, but there’s evidence we can point to, and dance while shouting taunting phrases.
Actually, I heard it stood for "Henrietta," not Humbert. Guy sajer, what sayest thou?
I always figured it stood for "Houdini".....I mean he did have a great bag of magic tricks.
"Whatever appears to be against the Book of Mormon is going to be overturned at some time in the future. So we can be pretty open minded."-charity 3/7/07
Bill Barton is free to speculate like anyone else. Solid proof is preferred however to his ramblings. I wonder how much money Barton gives to his Church and if he stares at a picture of an empty tomb wondering where the solid evidence is for his faith.
Unlike Joe and dupe Harris, Peter and the rest did not try to turn a profit by selling the rights to their story.
One wonders how well the founders of Christianity would fare were there better historical records. Of course the so called Christian LDS critic refuses to see this, all the while using techniques to tear down the LDS Church that, if honestly applied, would cause difficulties for their own belief system. I am sure this is a hrd thing for you to admit.
One more point. I seem to recall Peter collecting all of the temporal items that Christians possessed and sitting by when a husband and wife dies on the spot for holding back money or substance. One wonders how did the apostles make a living when they were out preaching all the time.
Gillebre wrote:My point with it growing is the fact that it is still growing. Those who murdered Joseph Smith thought they'd be ridding the world of Mormonism by 'offing the Prophet.
It has survived. ;)
I don't base my belief that it's true solely because it is growing, rather on a myriad of things. Growth and world-wide spread today is just one of them. :)
The Branch Davidians are as strong as ever. Aww S***, there goes your theory.
Come up with something a little less easy to counter.
And crawling on the planet's face Some insects called the human race Lost in time And lost in space...and meaning
Many people signed their witness that they saw the things of the Book of Mormon, and that is but one thing amid many which better confirms to me it's validity.
If it was so wrong, then why hasn't it been killed, yet? ;) That's rhetorical - please don't bother answering, because you won't hear the responses I give. That is evident.
At this point, I concede the fact that talking to some of you here is utterly wasteful of my breath. You will not hear that which fails to make sense in your own perspective, and you obviously aren't being too successful in your anti-mormon efforts. :)
Best wishes to you, but at this point I wash my hands of trying to help you understand that which you've already made up your mind on.
Gillebre
Apprentice Apologist
The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints