Ray A: The Gandhi of Internet Mormonism?

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Daniel Peterson wrote:As Scratch knows, I flatly deny having led or participated in any effort to slander Mike Quinn, Robert Ritner, or any of the other victims of my supposed evils that Scratch revels in parading before the horrified gaze of the handful of people here who may perhaps trust him.


Then why did Ritner threaten to sue both you and Gee? You bellowed on and on about how your kids would lose their inheritance, etc. Basically, whenever you "flatly deny" anything, it essentially means that you've been caught with your pants down. Quinn is sleeping on a futon, w/ no health insurance thanks in part to the crap you and your pals have engaged in.

He simply doesn't care. He's safe in malevolent anonymity to traduce the character of others with no real consequence to himself.


Nothing I have ever done even remotely compares to the real-life consequences which have been suffered by the targets of your scorn. Do you care about the results of what YOU have done?

Mister Scratch wrote:Try telling that to Prof. Peterson, who maliciously baited Infymus into an angry outburst, and then proceeded to pass along the private email exchange to his pals on SHIELDS. He did this to an RfM poster named "Susie Q" as well.

That's a scream.

Poor, gentle Infymus was minding his own business one lovely spring afternoon, tending to the petunias in his garden and pausing occasionally to save a baby seal, when Big Bad Peterson (taking a lunch break from his day job of slander, libel, cunning deception, shameless lies, and rumor mongering, and having picked poor, gentle Infymus entirely at random) swooped in to the tune of the Darth Vader theme from Star Wars. Amidst peals of thunder, flashes of lightning, and the neighing of terrified horses, Big Bad Peterson deliberately tormented poor, gentle Infymus so severely that poor, gentle Infymus was compelled to express himself in . . . uncharacteristically uncharitable words.

All that's lacking is the black cape, the top hat, and the curling black moustache.

Anybody is welcome to read the exchange with Infymus. Although I haven't looked recently, I think it's up in full (with only poor, gentle Infymus's obscenities edited out).


In other words, you are giving yourself a free pass. You were mad at Infymus, and decided to stick it to him by "leaking" the emails. Tell me, is seeking revenge part of Heavenly Father's Eternal Plan?

And the entire, unedited exchange with Susie Q is there, as well. I did nothing with that material for a year, but, when I grew tired of her continual gross mischaracterizations on RfM of what I had said to her (in a two-way correspondence that her audience had had no chance to read) and her claims about how "brutally" I had treated her, I acted on the maxim that the truth is the best defense.


I'm sort of blown away by this. Are you now admitting (at last) that you really do maintain a kind of "archive" so that you can later use things written in the spur-of-the-moment in order to take revenge on people?

Of course, when the truth is "inconvenient" -- as it evidently is here, in the case of Scratch and the Falsified Personal Message -- certain unscrupulous people will resort to lies in an attempt to avoid the embarrassment of what they've done. And, as you and I both know, Scratch, this isn't your first time to do so. It's rather amusing, though, that you falsely seek to tar me with culpability for the very things that you yourself habitually do.


A) You have no real evidence, and B) "habitually" might be the accurate descriptor for YOUR behavior, but for me you have, at best, two examples.

by the way: Are you ever going to get around to explaining how those Sorenson articles actually support your argument?

Pop! Go ahead and let Yme know that you are afraid to deal with this issue over here. I'm sure s/he will appreciate it, given your endless taunts.
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beastie wrote:
You're very biased. I'm now beginning to think you got every thing you deserved from SL Cabbie. You know, you want to know the truth? You're a contemptuous and inveterate anti-Mormon.


Background context: I argued with RFMers who insisted Joseph Smith was a pedophile. I did not, and do not, think this was an accurate label. I also argued that I did not believe Joseph Smith had sex with Helen Mar. I also argued in defense of Dan Vogel's "pious fraud" theory versus the more popular RFM argument that Joseph Smith was a deliberate con-man.

In return, SLCabbie told me I was likely a product of incest, and other equally vulgar and inane insults.

Now Ray, in his "unbiased" glory, has determined that I really did deserve those insults after all!

Well, good, Ray's offering more evidence about his ethical and emotional stature. Still curious as to how DCP feels about having you as such an ardent defender.....


You remind me of the Tanners. Give Mormonism a boost - then pop the baloon. You don't see anything virtuous, or of good report in Mormonism. If you do, it's in the name of giving yourself "credibility" so toadies will listen to your anti-Mormon rants; it's so you can eventually cut it down.

Face it, there are very few people who hate Mormonism as much as you do. It just oozes from every post you do.

I think I'd rather listen to assessments like Cabbie's before you. You are just kidding yourself to kingdom come.
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beastie wrote:Now Ray, in his "unbiased" glory, has determined that I really did deserve those insults after all!


You deserve more contempt than Scratch. Scratch never claimed any epiphanies, nor ever tried to rationalise them.
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The Nehor wrote: Scratch has twisted my words badly before, especially regarding his ridiculous claims of Hamblin's anti-Semitism which are now taken as fact in his postings.


Actually, Nehor, you were very deceptive in one of your responses to me on this subject. You claimed to have emailed a friend about Hamblin's tirade, and that the friend said that it "wasn't offensive at all." Later, you admitted that this Jewish friend had thought the rant was "over the top." I have caught you doing this kind of thing more than once. Prof. Hamblin's rant was very reminiscent of the angry outburst committed by Michael Richards some time ago; Prof. "Butthead" really slipped up and demonstrated just how brimming with hatred he actually is. His insane wrath is evident in his Quinn article as well.

That anyone could accuse anyone of having to provoke Infymus to ranting is a joke. It's harder not to provoke him into insulting and profane rants.


Did you bother to read the exchange? It is clear that DCP kept emailing him in order to press his buttons.
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You remind me of the Tanners. Give Mormonism a boost - then pop the baloon. You don't see anything virtuous, or of good report in Mormonism. If you do, it's in the name of giving yourself "credibility" so toadies will listen to your anti-Mormon rants; it's so you can eventually cut it down.

Face it, there are very few people who hate Mormonism as much as you do. It just oozes from every post you do.

I think I'd rather listen to assessments like Cabbie's before you. You are just kidding yourself to kingdom come.


Ray, when you get like this, all I can see is someone frothing at the mouth, whirling around and around and around, spit flying everywhere, incomprehensible rantings flying right and left....

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Mister Scratch wrote:
The Nehor wrote: Scratch has twisted my words badly before, especially regarding his ridiculous claims of Hamblin's anti-Semitism which are now taken as fact in his postings.


Actually, Nehor, you were very deceptive in one of your responses to me on this subject. You claimed to have emailed a friend about Hamblin's tirade, and that the friend said that it "wasn't offensive at all." Later, you admitted that this Jewish friend had thought the rant was "over the top." I have caught you doing this kind of thing more than once. Prof. Hamblin's rant was very reminiscent of the angry outburst committed by Michael Richards some time ago; Prof. "Butthead" really slipped up and demonstrated just how brimming with hatred he actually is. His insane wrath is evident in his Quinn article as well.

That anyone could accuse anyone of having to provoke Infymus to ranting is a joke. It's harder not to provoke him into insulting and profane rants.


Did you bother to read the exchange? It is clear that DCP kept emailing him in order to press his buttons.


Uh-huh......I actually said that he said that the analogy was stretched....i.e. he thought the analogy was bad. He still thought that there was no evidence that he was an anti-Semite. Still, continue your delusions my dear Scratch.

Yes, I read the exchange too.
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beastie wrote:Ray, when you get like this, all I can see is someone frothing at the mouth, whirling around and around and around, spit flying everywhere, incomprehensible rantings flying right and left....

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But you don't understand. I'm telling everyone the truth about you. Shades never claimed an epiphany. Nor did Scratch. I can respect that. You I can't.

Get it?
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The Nehor wrote:
Mister Scratch wrote:
The Nehor wrote: Scratch has twisted my words badly before, especially regarding his ridiculous claims of Hamblin's anti-Semitism which are now taken as fact in his postings.


Actually, Nehor, you were very deceptive in one of your responses to me on this subject. You claimed to have emailed a friend about Hamblin's tirade, and that the friend said that it "wasn't offensive at all." Later, you admitted that this Jewish friend had thought the rant was "over the top." I have caught you doing this kind of thing more than once. Prof. Hamblin's rant was very reminiscent of the angry outburst committed by Michael Richards some time ago; Prof. "Butthead" really slipped up and demonstrated just how brimming with hatred he actually is. His insane wrath is evident in his Quinn article as well.

That anyone could accuse anyone of having to provoke Infymus to ranting is a joke. It's harder not to provoke him into insulting and profane rants.


Did you bother to read the exchange? It is clear that DCP kept emailing him in order to press his buttons.


Uh-huh......I actually said that he said that the analogy was stretched


I just went and checked the original text. The word in question was "strained," and my point remains the same: You initially failed to mention this "strained analogy" tidbit when you first tried to defuse Hamblin's rant.

....I.e. he thought the analogy was bad. He still thought that there was no evidence that he was an anti-Semite.


Are you sure about that? I mean, given your obvious penchant for leaving out important details, can you really be trusted on this issue? What, after all, is "strained analogy" supposed to mean? That Hamblin was out of control, and that he'd gone completely overboard? That he was resorting to gross anti-Semitism in order to score points? What?
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But you don't understand. I'm telling everyone the truth about you. Shades never claimed an epiphany. Nor did Scratch. I can respect that. You I can't.

Get it?


Yeah, I get how it works in Ray's world.

You used to claim to respect me MORE because I wouldn't deny I had experienced a spiritual "epiphany" in regards to the Book of Mormon. You claimed to respect me because I wouldn't bow to the RFM crowd and stood my ground against them.

But once I argued against your theory that "vocal angry exmormons" on the internet would be to blame for some wave of real life violence against Mormons, I became The Enemy. Now my "epiphany" is cause for disdain, and I deserved Cabbie telling me I'm the product of incest.

So this is all good. You're showing us more of your character.


I still am interested in Daniel's feelings about having someone who once declared "YOUR F***ING MISSIONARIES ARE DEAD" as his most ardent defender. I know that all your intervening posts have been attempts to divert the attention from my question to him about that, but I'm not going to let it work.
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Just in case The Good Professor has forgotten, his is a short list of his smears against Prof. Ritner:

Daniel Peterson wrote:The fact is that Professor Gee went on to earn a doctorate from Yale in Egyptology after successfully petitioning for the removal of Professor Ritner, his appointed advisor, from his doctoral committee. (Aug 2 2006, 10:45 AM)- http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... opic=16868

Perhaps you're unaware that Professor Gee (successfully) petitioned his department at Yale to have Professor Ritner replaced as chairman of his doctoral committee. Such requests are not commonly made. And they are not commonly granted. Do you think they're best buddies? (Jun 10 2006, 04:56 PM)
http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... tner&st=20

Professor Ritner was once Professor Gee's dissertation chairman at Yale University, until he was removed from that position and replaced by another professor. There is a personal history here (of which I was aware as it played out, since Professor Gee had been a student of mine before he went off to graduate school at Berkeley and then Yale. (Mar 22 2006, 08:43 PM) - http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... opic=14257

As I've said, various substantive responses are in the works. Whether the personal side of this will ever come out is unknown to me. I wish it would, but I don't think that's my decision to make. (Sep 29 2004, 01:26 PM) http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... topic=5150

Peterson provided an email from John Gee which included the following:

“I also will not comment on his removal from my dissertation committee other than to note that it was the department's decision to do so. There is much more to the story than what Professor Ritner has chosen to tell.” (Mar 23 2006, 07:47 PM) http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... ner&st=100


The various insinuations are clear proof of not only a smear campaign, but a penchant for malicious gossipmongering and innuendo.
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