Arkansas woman dies in Oklahoma recreating Mormon trek

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Quasimodo wrote:
I have a question wrote:Unbelievable.
This is gross incompetence and child endangerment.
How can a parent put their child in harms way like this?

Stop the treks and stop them now.


Just checked. On June 20th in Tulsa the maximum temperature was 95 degrees. The maximum humidity was 93%. It was gross incompetence. Who officiated this nightmare?

Lemmie wrote:Plus the 5 juveniles, 3 unconscious, that paramedics had already carted away to the hospital prior to the death of Ms. Blair.


This whole thing is so criminal! If one of MY kids had been injured like that, the Church would have a lawsuit slapped on them that was so huge it wouldn't even be funny. Local leaders would have lost their shirts, too.

What a ridiculous thing.

Of course, as a parent, I would, and did, say HELL NO to my kids going on these trek re-enactments. I received some guff from my ex-husband, but not a lot, thank heavens...not that it would have mattered. LOL
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There are so many other ways that the trek could be remembered without this kind of danger. The kids could put on plays, etc. They could even plan little camp outs, but taking precautions that make sense. Nothing is worth putting both the kids AND the leaders in this kind of danger. I just don't understand. I really don't. This makes me very angry.
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jesse pinkman wrote:If one of MY kids had been injured like that, the Church would have a lawsuit slapped on them that was so huge it wouldn't even be funny. Local leaders would have lost their shirts, too.

That's what is so astonishing. It was posted on the stake's Facebook that lawyer Sarah Waddoup would be representing the family.... only problem, she posts on her law firm's website about her volunteer work for the Mormon church in the Rogers congregation working with young women program (i.e. involved with this trek), and then the statement she posts, 'on behalf of the family,' is simply a press release arguing the church's adequate preparation even though the women died.
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Lemmie wrote:
jesse pinkman wrote:If one of MY kids had been injured like that, the Church would have a lawsuit slapped on them that was so huge it wouldn't even be funny. Local leaders would have lost their shirts, too.

That's what is so astonishing. It was posted on the stake's Facebook that lawyer Sarah Waddoup would be representing the family.... only problem, she posts on her law firm's website about her volunteer work for the Mormon church in the Rogers congregation working with young women program (i.e. involved with this trek), and then the statement she posts, 'on behalf of the family,' is simply a press release arguing the church's adequate preparation even though the women died.

Un-f*****g-believable. :rolleyes:
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Back to the family's statement:
The trek also included a doctor and two registered nurses.


What the hell was wrong with the doctor and the nurses? They had five prior kids transported for heat prostration and they still let this insanity continue?

Any doctor worth his/ her licence would have stopped this silly pantomime immediately after the first case and had everyone participating taken as soon as possible to an air conditioned building. This might also make for a good case of medical malpractice.
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Quasimodo wrote:Back to the family's statement:
The trek also included a doctor and two registered nurses.


What the hell was wrong with the doctor and the nurses? They had five prior kids transported for heat prostration and they still let this insanity continue?

Any doctor worth his/ her licence would have stopped this silly pantomime immediately after the first case and had everyone participating taken as soon as possible to an air conditioned building. This might also make for a good case of medical malpractice.

Ahh, but nobody has mentioned 'religious malpractice' because that is a redundant two-word phrase.
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sock puppet wrote:Ahh, but nobody has mentioned 'religious malpractice' because that is a redundant two-word phrase.

:lol: :lol: :lol:

You are quite right. Do you think 'religious malpractice' could be a legal definition? That would surely open up a whole new field of law.
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So, 3 minors lose consciousness and the trek enactment isn't stopped.
A woman then dies and the trek enactment isn't stopped.

How many deaths would it take before they conclude they are a bad idea and stop doing them?
Two? Ten? The number that died on the Willie handcart company?
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I have a question wrote:So, 3 minors lose consciousness and the trek enactment isn't stopped.
A woman then dies and the trek enactment isn't stopped.

How many deaths would it take before they conclude they are a bad idea and stop doing them?
Two? Ten? The number that died on the Willie handcart company?


In good Mormon tradition, the number of deaths is irrelevant when doing Heavenly Father's work.

Brigham Young wisely knew that some of the faithful were easily expendable to accomplish God's plan. This may be the central lesson to be learned by having youngsters participate in hand cart re-enactments. God is great, life is cheap.
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I have a question wrote:If faith and prayers work, why is she dead?

Taking teenagers on a 7 mile trek in 95 degree heat is plain stupidity and child endangerment.


Wow.... can you really be so dunce?

When I was a teenager and younger I went on 5 day hikes in the mountains, etc. generally during Summer.
Guess what, it's when people do outdoor things.

Your post is a perfect example of how anti-Mormons brainwash yourselves into so much hate and ignorance, that you completely ignore basic common sense. You would NEVER say this about any other outdoor similar activity, Scouts, ROTC, hiking with family, on and on.

Yet somehow, your liberal warped anti-Mormon mind has to condemn them Mormons for doing something everyone on the planet that's physically active does. Man you people are truly morally and intellectually warped!!! :eek:
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