Philo Sofee wrote:Shulem handily defeats the missing scroll theory of the Book of Abraham. I love it when you post on this subject Shulem....... I always learn something instead of get obfuscation.
It's one of those great big stumbling blocks the church never wants to acknowledge. Remember Holland under questions by the BBC reporter?
Shulem v. Dodo would be a great pay-per-view match. Too bad it's just a fantasy!
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Shulem wrote:I want to hear you testify that you know those Explanations are true.
mentalgymnast wrote:With the information that's available that's difficult to do.
I know that it's difficult. Does that mean you're not going to bear your testimony that you know the Explanations of Facsimile No. 3 are true? I have to think the Latter-day Saints in 1842 would be glad to bear their testimony to the world that they know the inspired translation of the Egyptian papyrus from Abraham's own hand was correctly translated by the prophet Joseph Smith.
The work of the printing press was under the personal management of Joseph Smith. The Lord gave a specific revelation that the Holy Spirit was in the midst of their counsel during the printing process whereby the Book of Abraham was presented to the world.
Either you believe their testimony which they gave which is now in your canon or, you do not.
Well as long as we are playing the "there's a smart guy out there who knows more than I do about Egyptian who believes the Book of Abraham to be true so it must be true" game; the really interesting debate that would never happen would be between Gee and Robert Ritner.
The teacher has long since disavowed his pupil and destroyed any argument put forth by the church to defend the Book of Abraham as a translation or Egyptian papyri.
"Any over-ritualized religion since the dawn of time can make its priests say yes, we know, it is rotten, and hard luck, but just do as we say, keep at the ritual, stick it out, give us your money and you'll end up with the angels in heaven for evermore."
Themis wrote:I love that you go to fac 3 all the time. It destroys the missing scroll theory and MG's nuanced/catalyst theory
Indeed, it destroys both theories. It can be proven absolutely that the saints were presenting literal translations of the Egyptian language into English form. This has been documented and shown to be exactly what Joseph Smith claimed. It is exactly what his followers believed. Documentation for this is extensive and conclusive.
There are no missing hieroglyphs to Facsimile No. 3. It's all there: Lock, stock, and barrel. Nobody can render the excuse that we don't have the original roll to prove if his translation of the hieroglyphic characters in Facsimile No. 3 are correct. They are there and he published it in the Times and Seasons. It's right before our eyes for the whole world to see.
Isn't that correct, MG? Can you see the hieroglyphs in Facsimile No. 3?
Themis wrote:I love that you go to fac 3 all the time. It destroys the missing scroll theory and MG's nuanced/catalyst theory
Indeed, it destroys both theories. It can be proven absolutely that the saints were presenting literal translations of the Egyptian language into English form. This has been documented and shown to be exactly what Joseph Smith claimed. It is exactly what his followers believed. Documentation for this is extensive and conclusive.
There are no missing hieroglyphs to Facsimile No. 3. It's all there: Lock, stock, and barrel. Nobody can render the excuse that we don't have the original roll to prove if his translation of the hieroglyphic characters in Facsimile No. 3 are correct. They are there and he published it in the Times and Seasons. It's right before our eyes for the whole world to see.
Isn't that correct, MG? Can you see the hieroglyphs in Facsimile No. 3?
Not only that, but it is plain as day, part of the current LDS canon.
So you're chasing around a fly and in your world, I'm the idiot?
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Shulem wrote:Don't you think it's more exciting to be in the arena yourself, right here?
No way.
Regards, MG
That's because you don't want the truth. I notice this is all your posts. You have a chance to learn a lot about the Book of Abraham issue you have admitted you don't know much about, but are trying to bow out. If you were looking for the truth you would take a student type role and ask many questions to understand the issue. Why not do that now when you have someone like Shulem who can help you much better understand the Book of Abraham issue?
So how does the church's essay on the Book of Abraham deal with the mistranslations of the characters in Facsimile 3? Surely they clear things up there, right?
