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[_Runtu]

Hello Jersey Girl,

Has anyone actually addressed the topic?

No. No one has addressed the topic. Just alot of playing around mostly.

The truth is that I’m not aware of any LDS scholar who has made the clearly false claim that Latter-day Saints are the fulfillment of Qumranic Judaism.

Vegas is simply wrong.

In the FARMS book, The Dead Sea Scrolls Questions and Responses for Latter-day Saints, authors Donald W. Parry and Stephen D. Ricks state:

“Our preparation of this volume does not imply a historical or theological connection between the beliefs of the people of Qumran and Latter-day Saints. Numerous similarities exist between any two religious groups, but here are also differences—and the differences often are more consequential than the similarities. While we may see several similarities between Latter-day Saint and the writers of the Dead Sea Scrolls, we also see equally interesting similarities between the latter group and religious groups of other historical periods and locales. There are actually far more differences between the Qumranites and the Latter-day Saints than there are similarities.” (xii).

I provided more informaiton in the Celestial Kingdom thread created by Liz.

Have a great night.

From what I can tell, you're quite correct. I think that VR's post about the way the missionaries used the scroll "mockups" is just another example of well-meaning Mormons trying to find support in unlikely sources and then use it as a missionary tool. In Bolivia, we used Incan and Tiwanakan history (filtered through mission lore), and it was no more valid than this use of Qumran.

[_Ray A]

From what I can tell, you're quite correct. I think that VR's post about the way the missionaries used the scroll "mockups" is just another example of well-meaning Mormons trying to find support in unlikely sources and then use it as a missionary tool. In Bolivia, we used Incan and Tiwanakan history (filtered through mission lore), and it was no more valid than this use of Qumran.

In 1976 my mission distributed tapes on the DSS, and many missionaries were saying, "wow, we finally have proof!" Not saying this is what LDS scholars thought, but this was a popular notion in the late 70s.

[_Brackite]

Since the Moderator Orpheus there stated that, "This is a different board now," does this mean that anybody who got banned on the old Board there, can now and re-register to be able to start Posting there again???

No. Well, at least that wasn't the case for me.

The whole name-change with the forum was just a meaningless stunt to separate FAIR from its nasty side that is publicly accessible, but I think we can all see that the board is still very much "FAIR." It holds the same grudges against those who criticized FAIR. The same nepotism exists, unphased and unchanged, and the same talking heads from FAIR run the show - which was made perfectly clear in the recent Juliann debacle.

Might as well keep calling it FAIR.

Yes, you are right about that Kevin. Here is a Post there from Dr. Shades (as Madrid there) in response to Juliann there:

Madrid:

QUOTE(Juliann)
Good grief. That is pathetic that they will deceive just to be near us.

How do you figure, since I was the one who told the moderators who I was a sock-puppet of?

Besides, that was back in the days of the old FAIR boards. Here at MA&D, there's a clean slate.


( http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 0755&st=20 )

Now here is a Post from the senior Moderator Chaos (Dan G.?) there:

Chaos:

Yes Kevin Graham is permanently banned from our site. However it seems his OCD is more then we can handle. Every time we ban one of his many sock puppets within the next day he has another one. At first he stated he had the "right" to be on this board since it was public and someone might actually talk about him, so he has the "right" to defend himself. However we mods made a stringent effort to make sure we dealt with anyone swiftly if his name came up, so this would not be an excuse for him. Im sorry to inform Kevin and everyone else this is not a public board, it is a private board and invitation to participate on it can be revoked at anytime or any reason. You run your own board Kevin you know this, no board owners should have to accept this malicious behavior.

Also to clear something up, no Shades its not a clean slate. Where did you get that idea? Was this another fantasy of your board members?

I don't have the time or to patience to continue to deal with this ilk. The following sock puppets will now be banned. And since they cannot respond I am closing the thread and this matter. They are as follows. Widdley, Madrid, Dartagnan, Cornholio, Will Heder and the many other future sock puppets they create.

Chaos

I edited this post from saying "And so they cannot respond I am closing the thread and this matter." to "And since they cannot respond I am closing this thread and this matter." as it was my original intent to have the word since instead of so.

This post has been edited by Chaos: Jan 2 2007, 12:01 PM


( http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 0755&st=40 , Bold Emphasis Mine. )

[_Jersey Girl]

This: " I don't have the time or to patience to continue to deal with this ilk. The following sock puppets will now be banned. And since they cannot respond I am closing the thread and this matter. They are as follows. Widdley, Madrid, Dartagnan, Cornholio, Will Heder and the many other future sock puppets they create."

Is at best, misleading. I don't know who all of the other posters are on that list but it implies that all on that list created "sock puppets" in order to circumvent their bannings, that they habitually create "sock puppets" and would do so again in order to post on FAIR/MAD.

I will state once again for the record.

My original screen name on FAIR was "widdley". I stopped posting as widdley in April 2005.

I re-registered on FAIR as Lady Sundancer, my well known screen name from ZLMB, in order to promote a Kerry Shirts DVD.

I don't recall ever using overlapping screen names.

widdley stopped posting in April 2005 and was just recently banned according to the post above.

Lady Sundancer stopped posting in early October 2006 and was banned November 5, 2006.

The statements from the moderators there make it appear as if I were posting under a different screen name and/or am in the habit of making up additional screen names in order to post on FAIR/MAD. That is simply not true.

I can't for the life of me relate to the poster on this board (don't know who it was) who asked if posters would be permitted to post there again.

Why would they want to?

Addionally for the record, because I've seen other statements on this board and over there, I've never used a proxy server in my life.

Jersey Girl

[_harmony]

You weren't banned for simply being yourself, you were banned because you lied and broke a rule.

I lied? Holy smokes. I lied? How did I lie? Goodnightshirt, I'm flabbergasted. Because I registered a nickname by which I am known in many LDS places on the net, I lied? Good grief, that's a stretch. If that's against their rules, then yes... I broke their rules. My apologies. Please point out the rule that says a poster has to use the same nickname on all boards. I really want to see that one. (Someone had best take David to task; he's using different nicknames for different boards, as do kevinchill, Kevin Graham, Roger Morrison, and the illustrious Daniel C Peterson, just to name a few).

I used a name by which I am and was commonly known on the 'net. At various times of my life and on various boards, I've used serenity, harmony, Blink, Blinkemwinkem, Dill Pickles, Momma Cass, nightwitch, Lady Serenity, and assorted others. And now I'm finding out that's somehow against the rules on one of the several boards I post on, even though it's not listed on their rules, anywhere?

You can't keep reregistering at places you've been kicked off of and then get mad at them when they find a way to keep you off.

I wasn't banned when I registered as the Pickle, Mak. The Pickle posted for months with no problems at all. Heck, I even defended Juliann on one memorable thread. I was banned because it was discovered that the Pickle was harmony. And I'm not mad. I spent some valuable time at the Foyer before Shades finished this site. I made a few friends there. Now I find this community much more to my liking. Shades and Keene have done a fine job of creating the ideal community for people like me. I don't have to trip over stupid rules, arbitrary moderators, protected apologists, and the same lame arguments here. And (thank the good Lord) I don't have to trip over Juliann every time I turn around.

[_moksha]

Many of us have friends who still post on MAD/FAIR, even though we have been judged, excommunicated and banished, more often than not, without justification or a fair trial.

Once again, a message board is not a democracy. I've been kicked off of non-Mormon boards before, but I don't let it get under my skin and fester. I especially don't accuse those who have kicked me out of doing it for silly reasons that I've speculated, like this:

I am one of the banished, banned only because of who I am.

I am certain the MAD/FAIR mods could enumerate my crimes on both hands. While it never festered under my skin, it still hurt to be banned. I was inching toward post #4000, so you might say I had some addiction to that forum. The only thing I can say in my defense is that I was always polite to those on that forum who chose to attack me - that, and one person's view of derisive humor is another person's guffaw. While some were offended by me, other appreciated me. I pointed that out to Juliann, that we both provoked that reaction, once while she was having at me.

For a board that is so allegedly offensive, I must say I have yet to be attacked here as I was at FAIR. Perhaps, there is more to offensiveness than naughty words.

[_Jersey Girl]

mok,

You were banned? Somewhere along the way, I missed knowing about that. When were you banned and for what cause?

Jersey Girl

[_moksha]

mok,

You were banned? Somewhere along the way, I missed knowing about that. When were you banned and for what cause?

Jersey Girl

It was part of the St. Turkey Day Massacre on November 5th. Probably the two main reasons were for collaborating with the enemy (I had posted on both this board and Kevin's board) and for illegal joking in a no-humor zone. I doubt there was any problem with the content of what I posted on the enemy boards, but it added fuel to their already grumpy disposition toward me.

by the way, it is undoubtedly a sad side effect of apologetics to be forced to divide the world into friend or foe, is it not?

[_Jersey Girl]

mok,

You were banned? Somewhere along the way, I missed knowing about that. When were you banned and for what cause?

Jersey Girl

It was part of the St. Turkey Day Massacre on November 5th. Probably the two main reasons were for collaborating with the enemy (I had posted on both this board and Kevin's board) and for illegal joking in a no-humor zone. I doubt there was any problem with the content of what I posted on the enemy boards, but it added fuel to their already grumpy disposition toward me.

by the way, it is undoubtedly a sad side effect of apologetics to be forced to divide the world into friend or foe, is it not?

mok,

I wish I could articulate just what I think about all of this, perhaps tomorrow when I feel more rested. What I've seen over the last few months between ZLMB, the Itchy Blog and the bannings on FAIR/MAD is just strange.

Jersey Girl

[_Brackite]

Here is Juliann's latest Post on that Discussion Thead at MA&D:

I was having a root canal this afternoon so that may explain why I continue to be fascinated by this thread. I think we have the beginnings of an Exodus story..the story that had several functions for the Isrealites. To start with a reference to the story was validation as well as a presentatlion of credentials. This story isn't exactly something out of the Torah but it may get there.

This needs to be fleshed out a bit...but Harmony writes with such a flourish:


"Many of us have friends who still post on MAD/FAIR, even though we have been judged, excommunicated and banished, more often than not, without justification or a fair trial. "

"I know of which I speak. I am harmony, and if that doesn't mean anything to you, it's because you haven't been around long enough."

"Do you doubt me? Do not. I am telling the truth. Several of us are not only excommunicated, we are banished. . . I am one of the banished, banned only because of who I am. If you don't know the story, perhaps someone will tell you. "

Now we can add the story elements once prophetic credentials have been established for a trampled and helpless people looking for deliverance.

"Years ago, 2 friends and I were surfing the web, looking for LDS sites. . ."

It moves from here to the final explusion from the home country. Notice the almost liturgical tales that are recited at all important events when they join together. Notice the ritualistic concern for words. The right words at the right time show the validity of the people. Those who rebel are exposed for what they truly are. Liars! You can read the full : http://www.mormondiscussions.com/discus ... 7094c619d3 (It does appear they have at least put the "F" bomb worded thread titles somewhere else.


Maybe I have been too harsh in ignoring the place. A search of Juliann pulls up 660 hits! I'll bet nobody can beat that.


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