DCP "Busts" Me

[_Ray A]

When Dr. Shades was temporarily under attack and personal things about his life exposed, even legal action was being considered, and there was a lot of sensitivity. Dan Peterson has been subjected to this for more years than I can count. Everything from what he eats, to what he wears. Perhaps when little minds rise to a higher level, Dan might engage them.

Wait a minute. Those two scenarios are completely different.

For reasons of his own, Dan Peterson uses his real name to post on a few bulletin boards. For reasons of his own, Dr Shades doesn't. therefore, putting Dr Shades real name up without his permission is inappropriate.

For reasons of his own, Dan Peterson prefers to keep his personal life off the bulletin boards. No one posts his wife's name, his children's names (if he has them), or anything else about his family. For reasons of his own, Dr Shades prefers to do the same thing. Therefore, putting Dr Shades' wife's name up without his permission is highly inappropriate.

For reasons of his own, Dan Peterson freely admits the name of his employer and his title. He freely discusses his job. For reasons of his own, Dr Shades does not talk about his employer, his title, or his job. Therefore, putting Dr Shades job information up without his permission is unconsciousable (knowing what his job is).

Comparing the two is not at all appropriate.

Anonymous critics always like to hide behind FAKE facades, because they have NO GUTS, and are the real cowards!

[_Mister Scratch]

Ray, you were doing so well! Am I mistaken, or are you the same guy who, on MDB version 1.0 went on for post after post, wailing and gnashing your teeth about all the FAIR/MAD threads? There is a simply solution: don't read them. Start threads on topics which are interesting to you.

I have never said I agree with some FAIR/MAD threads, and I have posted disagreements on that board. But I don't get personal, and nasty, and I am not pursuing a vendetta, or some kind of revenge campaign, like YOU, Scratch. I can separate issues from personalities.

C'mon, Mate---lighten up. Moreover, I was referring to you old complaints, e.g., "Arrghh! Quit talking about FAIR! I can't take it! Ahhh!" Remember those days, Ray?

As for my "motivation", I have a good time reading and writing about MAD and the people who love it. I *was* treated unfairly, but that is not the whole of my "obsession," as it were.

You were not treated unfairly.

Yup, I was. As were many others here.

Your intention was to denigrate Mormonism,

There is a clear difference between "denigrating" and "criticism," in my opinion. I believe I engaged in the latter.

denigate DCP, denigrate Juliann,

Where did I ever do that during my tenure on FAIR? I hope you can back up your accusations with actual facts, Mate.

and how you claim to be a Mormon is totally beyond me. Do you? Or am I just hallucinating? I don't mind people who are upfront, but the more I read your posts I think you don't really understand what Mormonism is.

I have heard this sort of baloney from the likes of coggins7, Gaz, etc. Let me ask you this: are you hallucinating? What have I actually said, Ray? I try to be quite careful with my words. What have you seen me say exactly?

So, are you going to start a smear campaign against me too? Go ahead. I've tried to be tolerant of you and your posts, blogs, and your revenge campaign, but I think you'd better take off your fake Mormon mask and show your real self.

What "real" self? What "Mormon mask"?

If you said you are an apostate and unbeliever, which ALL of your posts indicate, I could respect you.

I could not care less whether you respect me or not, Ray. What is your problem, anyways?

But you insist on this cankerous HYPOCRISY by claiming adherence to Mormonism

Where have I ever "claimed adherence to Mormonism"? You had better check carefully. I want to see where you are getting this stuff. I strongly suspect that you are reading into things.

while trying to cut its throat!

Again: what does this mean? Is being critical of, say, the no-priesthood-for-women thing "cutting its throat"?

Would you like me to spell it out for you? You are a hypocrite and a backstabber. If you claim to believe Mormonism while stabbing it in the back, you are the last person on earth I would trust, because traitors are scum!

I don't think you know what I believe at all, Ray. In fact, I defy you to find instances where I have spelled this out. The reason you won't be able to find any instances is because I have not said anything one way or the other. You see, when you make clarifications like this, it makes it easier for people to make ad hominem arguments against you. Thus, if I were to have said, "I am a TR-carrying Mormon" (which I have never said), you would be able to legitimately label me a "hypocrite" and etc. But I have never said such things.

You have been awfully nasty towards me the past couple of days, mate. I have to wonder: Why?

[_Mister Scratch]

When Dr. Shades was temporarily under attack and personal things about his life exposed, even legal action was being considered, and there was a lot of sensitivity. Dan Peterson has been subjected to this for more years than I can count. Everything from what he eats, to what he wears. Perhaps when little minds rise to a higher level, Dan might engage them.

Wait a minute. Those two scenarios are completely different.

For reasons of his own, Dan Peterson uses his real name to post on a few bulletin boards. For reasons of his own, Dr Shades doesn't. therefore, putting Dr Shades real name up without his permission is inappropriate.

For reasons of his own, Dan Peterson prefers to keep his personal life off the bulletin boards. No one posts his wife's name, his children's names (if he has them), or anything else about his family. For reasons of his own, Dr Shades prefers to do the same thing. Therefore, putting Dr Shades' wife's name up without his permission is highly inappropriate.

For reasons of his own, Dan Peterson freely admits the name of his employer and his title. He freely discusses his job. For reasons of his own, Dr Shades does not talk about his employer, his title, or his job. Therefore, putting Dr Shades job information up without his permission is unconsciousable (knowing what his job is).

Comparing the two is not at all appropriate.

Anonymous critics always like to hide behind FAKE facades, because they have NO GUTS, and are the real cowards!

Well-known apologists always like to hide behind WELL-PROTECTED messageboards, totally safe in their CUSHY, IVORY-TOWER BYU SINECURES, and are the real cowards! by the way: What is your full real name, Ray?

[_Ray A]

Well-known apologists always like to hide behind WELL-PROTECTED messageboards, totally safe in their CUSHY, IVORY-TOWER BYU SINECURES, and are the real cowards! by the way: What is your full real name, Ray?

No, my full name is Ray Agostini. Hence Ray A. What's yours, "Scratch"?

[_Mister Scratch]

Well-known apologists always like to hide behind WELL-PROTECTED messageboards, totally safe in their CUSHY, IVORY-TOWER BYU SINECURES, and are the real cowards! by the way: What is your full real name, Ray?

No, my full name is Ray Agostini. Hence Ray A. What's yours, "Scratch"?

Why, it is Phineas Scratch, of course! ; ) Come on, mate--seriously. I have always liked you. What is the big deal with you lately?

[_Ray A]

You have been awfully nasty towards me the past couple of days, mate. I have to wonder: Why?

And you have been awfully nasty to FAIR, MAD, DCP, Juliann, and Mormonism. Why, Scratch? Can't you be civil in disagreement? Why do you have to always denigate Mormons and individual Mormons?? What bugs you? Why the obsession? Can't you get over a simple banning? You don't like being called an anti-Mormon, you are offended when your motives are questioned, yet very liberal in dishing out criticisms and mind-reading of Mormons you disagree with, and you think this should all be ONE-WAY! Your way.

[_Ray A]

Well-known apologists always like to hide behind WELL-PROTECTED messageboards, totally safe in their CUSHY, IVORY-TOWER BYU SINECURES, and are the real cowards! by the way: What is your full real name, Ray?

No, my full name is Ray Agostini. Hence Ray A. What's yours, "Scratch"?

Why, it is Phineas Scratch, of course! ; ) Come on, mate--seriously. I have always liked you. What is the big deal with you lately?

And am I supposed to believe this? To tell you the truth, "Phineas", I honestly don't know if I believe anything you write. I think you just like to be sensational and provocative. So where do you stand, "Phineas"? You want to know what I really think? I think you're a very deceptive person. Do tell me what you believe, and where you stand in regard to Mormonism. Does anyone know? Has anyone ever asked? Why don't we put YOU under scrutiny for a change, instead of DCP? Who the hell are you? You've been putting everyone under scrutiny, but we know next to nothing about you! Can you even verify that you are "Phineas Scratch"? And, what do you believe, or disbelieve?

[_Mister Scratch]

Well-known apologists always like to hide behind WELL-PROTECTED messageboards, totally safe in their CUSHY, IVORY-TOWER BYU SINECURES, and are the real cowards! by the way: What is your full real name, Ray?

No, my full name is Ray Agostini. Hence Ray A. What's yours, "Scratch"?

Why, it is Phineas Scratch, of course! ; ) Come on, mate--seriously. I have always liked you. What is the big deal with you lately?

And am I supposed to believe this? To tell you the truth, "Phineas", I honestly don't know if I believe anything you write. I think you just like to be sensational and provocative.

I *do* like to be "sensational and provocative."

So where do you stand, "Phineas"? You want to know what I really think? I think you're a very deceptive person. Do tell me what you believe, and where you stand in regard to Mormonism. Does anyone know? Has anyone ever asked?

Oddly enough, No. Nobody has ever asked. And I am not going to say. Mwahahaha!

Why don't we put YOU under scrutiny for a change, instead of DCP? Who the hell are you?

I am nobody.

You've been putting everyone under scrutiny, but we know next to nothing about you!

Yes, and why do you suppose that might be?

Can you even verify that you are "Phineas Scratch"? And, what do you believe, or disbelieve?

Believe or disbelieve about what, mate?

[_Mister Scratch]

You have been awfully nasty towards me the past couple of days, mate. I have to wonder: Why?

And you have been awfully nasty to FAIR, MAD, DCP, Juliann, and Mormonism.

Come on, Ray---that doesn't really answer my question. Obviously, YOU and all of those people/things you've named are not the same. Why do you care? What is in it for you?

Why, Scratch? Can't you be civil in disagreement?

Where have I been "uncivil"? An example, please.

Why do you have to always denigate Mormons and individual Mormons??

Where have I done this? Example, please.

What bugs you? Why the obsession?

Why *YOUR* obsession with *ME*, Ray? What bugs you?

Can't you get over a simple banning?

Gee, no, I guess not.

You don't like being called an anti-Mormon, you are offended when your motives are questioned, yet very liberal in dishing out criticisms and mind-reading of Mormons you disagree with, and you think this should all be ONE-WAY! Your way.

I'll tell you what, Ray: if you can extract a sincere apology from DCP over his false accusation, I, Mister Scratch, will permanently retire from posting on any and all Mormon-related messageboards.

[_Ray A]

Well-known apologists always like to hide behind WELL-PROTECTED messageboards, totally safe in their CUSHY, IVORY-TOWER BYU SINECURES, and are the real cowards! by the way: What is your full real name, Ray?

No, my full name is Ray Agostini. Hence Ray A. What's yours, "Scratch"?

Why, it is Phineas Scratch, of course! ; ) Come on, mate--seriously. I have always liked you. What is the big deal with you lately?

And am I supposed to believe this? To tell you the truth, "Phineas", I honestly don't know if I believe anything you write. I think you just like to be sensational and provocative.

I *do* like to be "sensational and provocative."

So where do you stand, "Phineas"? You want to know what I really think? I think you're a very deceptive person. Do tell me what you believe, and where you stand in regard to Mormonism. Does anyone know? Has anyone ever asked?

Oddly enough, No. Nobody has ever asked. And I am not going to say. Mwahahaha!

Why don't we put YOU under scrutiny for a change, instead of DCP? Who the hell are you?

I am nobody.

You've been putting everyone under scrutiny, but we know next to nothing about you!

Yes, and why do you suppose that might be?

Can you even verify that you are "Phineas Scratch"? And, what do you believe, or disbelieve?

Believe or disbelieve about what, mate?

I reiterate, you are a deceptive person, and an inveterate LIAR.