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_Ray A

Post by _Ray A »

Polygamy Porter wrote:The bishop of the ward at the time of my "apostasy" told my wife the worst thing an idiot Mormon could say, an expected rote statement of, "Your husband has lost his countenance"

My wife almost laughed at him at the moment.

He continued for a few more weeks about how I was dark now and that he could be her pretend power priesthood power ranger if she needed the power of god in her or the children's lives.

After he told her that he feared for our children, I called him and in no certain terms told him to stay away from my wife and children, and that he had no dominion over them.

He complied for a year, then accidentally added us back to the HT list.

After two HT companionships and one set of elders went to him with doctrinal questions, he apologized and was a good boy.

I miss the fresh meat though. Nothing like telling grown men or baloney bopping bicycle boys about the masonic connection to the temple, Joes poly/adry/gamy, the Papyrus rediscovery, etc et al.... *sigh*

When the ward was assigned a new bishop, my wife was still attending and he told her he wanted to meet with her WEEKLY. She said NO. A fe w months later she had her own realization of the whole fraud ridden cult and rather quickly and unceremoniously resigned from her callings and halted all attendance by her and our children. Of course the kids were ecstatic!


The new young bishop called me, the former pretend power priesthood power ranger of the house and asked what was going on.

Two hours later he realized our home should be a permanent DO NOT CONTACT, DO NOT GO NEAR!!, DO NOT MAKE EYE CONTACT!!! STAY AWAY FROM THEIR HOME list.

I told him I would not hunt down his unwitting flock of sheep, but advised him to not to send any to my testimony butcher block.

He agreed and asked me to not contact any of "his" members.

I laughed and said, "ohhh YOUR members... ooookkkkaaaaaayyyy"

"I am responsible for their spiritual well being", he said.

"No you are not, but I will not be seen stuffing windshield wipers at the chapel parking lot on sunday.

"As long as you are not part of any of these so-called Christian mega churches who are targeting us!", he said.

I told him they were not doing anything different than what the Mormon missionaries were doing.

We ended on that note.

We have not heard from him since!


Good to see your wife stood by you. Bullmastiffs are considered ugly dogs, but I loved mine. What's your gripe? Your wife and family stood by you. You want to tell other people what's "best" for them?
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Post by _Who Knows »

Gazelam wrote:How would you respond if you were the Bishop?


I would probably just encourage her to continue to pray, read the scriptures, go to the temple, be a good example, and be a good mother and wife. No need to bag on the husband.

Ray wrote:But what was her reaction to this? You didn't say. If that appalls her, all she has to do is tell the bishop to go jump.


I did say. I said she told me with a smirk (if that's the right word). She didn't really care. In fact, i think she kind of expected him to say that (she's heard it from some of her friends as well).

Liz wrote:by the way, WK, exactly WHY did your wife fail the temple recommend interview?


She answered the 2 following questions with "i don't know" or "i'm not sure":

Do you have a testimony of the restoration of the gospel in these the latter days?
Do you sustain the President of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints as the Prophet...blah blah blah

She actually interviewed with the 1st counselor, and he said he thought she should have a recommend, but wasn't sure. So he brought the bishop in, and that's went he did his spiel, and said (paraphrasing) "if you don't have a sure testimony of the restoration, you shouldn't be going to the temple."

Inconceivable wrote:Making an agreement with him that you will not belittle him in private to his wife and children may put things in perspective.

You wouldn't happen to be his kid's baseball coach or his wife's mechanic?


Ha, no. He's probably in his 50's, so he doesn't even have kids in the ward.

After sleeping on it again, I'll probably not say anything, but watch to see if it happens again. I'll give him the benefit of the doubt this time. Thanks for all the responses.
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Re: Need your opinion

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Who Knows wrote:So my wife went in for her temple recommend interview, but failed. She could only answer 'I don't know' to a couple of the questions (she passed all the rest of the questions). So then the bishopric went on to warn her about me, saying I am 'listening to the wrong spirit', and a couple of other things implying I was under the influence of satan, and that he was worried that I was having a bad influence on her.

So here's what I need your advice on. I'm a little ticked off that the bishop is basically saying bad things about me, not only behind my back, but to my wife. I'm also a little worried that this could spill over to my kids when the bishop does interviews with them. I don't appreciate having the bishop basically undermine me as a husband/parent - turning my wife and kids against me (if only in some small way). Should I say something to the bishop? Or is this something I should just live with as long as my wife and kids still attend?

I can see that as his role as bishop, he should council his members to maintain/grow their testimonies. But do they really have the right to talk about other people like that?


My advice:

1. You're weak by not taking it up with the bishop and laying down the law as you see it as father and husband. Are you a passive person?

2. You're weak by soliciting advice on an internet board, and anonymously so.

3. You're weak by straddling both worlds, by seeking solace on this board, and by spending so much time on this board for solace. I take it that exercise, reading and travel are not on your agenda.

4. You're weak by posting evil things about your bishop anonymously yet saying nothing in person. Take a stand, even it is an evil one in abandoning the Church of your ancestry and the faith of your fathers. Be a man, not the knee-knocking weakling you are on this board. Move into my ward and I'll treat you like a man and respect you for your decisions, and enforce them once they are made known to me.

rcrocket
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Post by _Gazelam »

I really don't understand the attitude of you idiots to this Bishop. What has he done wrong?

How should he counsel the wife in dealing with an apostate husband? What would be the "appropriate" response from a faithful church leader to a wife whos husband is wrecking her testimony with his piss poor attitude towards her faith?

And what exactly do you think this Bishop would do to the kids? Encourage them to continue in prayer even though their father doesent? Eww, how discouraging for the kids. Like he would be telling them anything they don't already know from dealing with him themselves.

The Bishop didn't "bag" on you Who Knows, he stated a fact your wife already knew.
We can easily forgive a child who is afraid of the dark; the real tragedy of life is when men are afraid of the light. - Plato
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Post by _asbestosman »

Gazelam wrote:What would be the "appropriate" response from a faithful church leader to a wife whos husband is wrecking her testimony with his piss poor attitude towards her faith?

I dunno, but I don't think Who Knows fits this description.

Furthermore it neglects the wife's agency. Since Who Knows is unlikely to go out of his way to disparage the faith of his wife and kids to them, I don't see how he's a drain on them. If he were forbidding them from attending, then perhaps things would be a little different. Even then, he is not a deadbeat nor an abuser and as such does not deserve to be spoken of as being evil. Yes, Who Knows has his faults, but I don't even see him as telestial material, let alone a son-of-perdition (which is what it almost sounded like). Heck, WK is probably a better father/husband than most of the active priesthood holders in his ward.
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Post by _asbestosman »

Gazelam wrote:The Bishop didn't "bag" on you Who Knows, he stated a fact your wife already knew.

If she already knew, then the bishop was not conveying information. In that case the Bishop was only belittling Who Knows with absolutely no benefit to anybody.

Anyhow, while I think the Bishop made a mistake, I don't think he's a horrible guy or anything. I have no ability to judge in the matter. The bishop is probably doing the best he knew how and is perhaps ignorant of how WK really treats his family. in my opinion anyhow.
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Post by _Jersey Girl »

crock shoots out this crock:

My advice:

1. You're weak by not taking it up with the bishop and laying down the law as you see it as father and husband. Are you a passive person?

2. You're weak by soliciting advice on an internet board, and anonymously so.

3. You're weak by straddling both worlds, by seeking solace on this board, and by spending so much time on this board for solace. I take it that exercise, reading and travel are not on your agenda.

4. You're weak by posting evil things about your bishop anonymously yet saying nothing in person. Take a stand, even it is an evil one in abandoning the Church of your ancestry and the faith of your fathers. Be a man, not the knee-knocking weakling you are on this board. Move into my ward and I'll treat you like a man and respect you for your decisions, and enforce them once they are made known to me.




Advice? You meant ad hom, right?
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Re: Need your opinion

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rcrocket wrote:
My advice:

1. You're weak by not taking it up with the bishop and laying down the law as you see it as father and husband. Are you a passive person?

2. You're weak by soliciting advice on an internet board, and anonymously so.

3. You're weak by straddling both worlds, by seeking solace on this board, and by spending so much time on this board for solace. I take it that exercise, reading and travel are not on your agenda.

4. You're weak by posting evil things about your bishop anonymously yet saying nothing in person. Take a stand, even it is an evil one in abandoning the Church of your ancestry and the faith of your fathers. Be a man, not the knee-knocking weakling you are on this board. Move into my ward and I'll treat you like a man and respect you for your decisions, and enforce them once they are made known to me.

rcrocket



I'm offended! I'm offended! I'm offended! I'm offended! I'm offended!

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Schmo, you see it doesn't even have anything to do with me and it bothers me! I need to get my empathy meter checked. ;P
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barrelomonkeys wrote:I'm offended! I'm offended! I'm offended! I'm offended! I'm offended!


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Bond...James Bond wrote:
barrelomonkeys wrote:I'm offended! I'm offended! I'm offended! I'm offended! I'm offended!


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