As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.

[_Quasimodo]

And some people will not agree with your conclusion here--that its a good reason not to be a member. So we'll still have members. Complaining about it now, isn't going to work, I think.

Arrrgggghhh! It's like talking to a brick wall! :)

I understand that my little posts will not sway your opinion. I just put them up for others that might be a little more objective. You have to admit that your position is a little hard to defend.

There will still be members (though I think the numbers are dropping). Converts might be a little harder to come by after that interview. One can only hope.

[_Themis]

He fibbed. He didn't come out and say the teaching or idea was wrong so it wasn't necessarily some straight up lie.

The lie was to say he didn't know we teach that. He did know so it was a straight up lie.

Oh come on...What in this link suggests I'm wrong. Lets not fight about whether you know more than me. Let's discuss it.

I may not know more then you, but I think I am being more honest about it. The church teaches we must seek restitution for our sins if possible as part of the repentance process. If a sin was not against anyone it need not include anyone else but you and God. If I steal do you think if I go to the bishop that he will require that I give back what I stole or pay it back as part of the repentance process. Do you really think that if I lie to a group or individual that part of the repentance process would include admitting the lie to those I lied to?

Indeed. I admitted it, from my perspective. And I don't make a fuss about one man's lie. That's probably true too. Normally I simply like to be positive and forgiving of people.

I already said I agree with forgiving someone even if they have not repented, but that is not the issue of this thread.

[_zeezrom]

One more question. Why are people so scared to think GBH lied? He isn't perfect. Nobody seems to care when I say Joseph Smith Jr. lied about polygamy and his translation abilities.

[_stemelbow]

Arrrgggghhh! It's like talking to a brick wall! :)

I"m unmovable. Little but tough. Thin but scrappy.

I understand that my little posts will not sway your opinion. I just put them up for others that might be a little more objective. You have to admit that your position is a little hard to defend.

There will still be members (though I think the numbers are dropping). Converts might be a little harder to come by after that interview. One can only hope.

The interview was over 10 years ago and the percent increase has, I believe, decreased since that time. So maybe your hope has worked out for ya. Maybe the whole decrease in the rate of increase is because of Hinckley and that one interview. We'll have to see how the Man upstairs deals with that.

[_Joseph]

I don't see the purpose of worrying about it now, though.
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If the maximum leader lies to all who would investigate Mormonism both pro & con, how can you trust him?

[_OSWIT]

One more question. Why are people so scared to think GBH lied? He isn't perfect. Nobody seems to care when I say Joseph Smith Jr. lied about polygamy and his translation abilities.

Presentism I guess

[_stemelbow]

The lie was to say he didn't know we teach that. He did know so it was a straight up lie.

You've convinced me. its a straight up lie. My mistake. Seriously, lest someone comes along accusing me of something I didn't say.

I may not know more then you, but I think I am being more honest about it.

O great. Now I"m a liar.

The church teaches we must seek restitution for our sins if possible as part of the repentance process. If a sin was not against anyone it need not include anyone else but you and God. If I steal do you think if I go to the bishop that he will require that I give back what I stole or pay it back as part of the repentance process. Do you really think that if I lie to a group or individual that part of the repentance process would include admitting the lie to those I lied to?

I know the whole formula. I'm not being deceptive here. it is up to the individual to decide if his/her lie is something that he needs to apologize to others for. The restitution may not necessarily require an apology on his part, as he personally deems it. But even if it did, he very well could have made th emistake to not offer the apology. I'd be fine with that too. That'd be between he and God. Not you, me, he, God and every one else here.

I already said I agree with forgiving someone even if they have not repented, but that is not the issue of this thread.

Cool. I'm over it, though. that's my point. Thanks for the converse.

Wait...did I say you can have the last word on this? Oh crap...I figure out who i said that to now. I pipe up far too much. Sorry if I said you can have it. I can't find where I said that and to whom.

[_stemelbow]

If the maximum leader lies to all who would investigate Mormonism both pro & con, how can you trust him?

Under such logic how can anyone trust anyone since everyone lies at some point?

[_Buffalo]

So what was his angle in making this statement?

Milk before meat (or pearls before swine) is the only possibility.

Also known as lying for the Lord.

[_Quasimodo]

The interview was over 10 years ago and the percent increase has, I believe, decreased since that time. So maybe your hope has worked out for ya. Maybe the whole decrease in the rate of increase is because of Hinckley and that one interview. We'll have to see how the Man upstairs deals with that.

Tough and scrappy are good things (that's what makes you fun to tussle with).

I do believe (my own personal opinion) that the LDS church is on a slow slide into obscurity. The fact that you and I are here having this discussion is one reason I think so.

The internet could well be the death knell. It will take time, but I think it's inevitable. Too much evidence against and no evidence for the Church.

I know that is not your viewpoint, but that's what makes all this fun.

Congratulations on being a God! I'm still hoping to get next weeks lottery numbers from you.