Calling Thayne, Can I Help With NOM?

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Tator wrote:Just wondering what is preventing someone from posting about General Conference at Shady Acres?


I sat down and watched the sessions with my wife. VERY much Christ centered. Live and keep the commandments. Repent. Share the Gospel. Book of Mormon. Strengthening testimonies. Love and focusing on the good in others. Etc.

I felt enriched for having watched.

No mention of a move back to "Zion" :wink: or anything specific that might be of interest to some here...LGBT suicides/suffering and that sort of thing.

Not that this isn't a concern for many, including leaders that 'mourn with those that mourn'.

What else is there to say?

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MG
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mentalgymnast wrote:
Tator wrote:Just wondering what is preventing someone from posting about General Conference at Shady Acres?


I sat down and watched the sessions with my wife. VERY much Christ centered. Live and keep the commandments. Repent. Share the Gospel. Book of Mormon. Strengthening testimonies. Love and focusing on the good in others. Etc.

I felt enriched for having watched.

No mention of a move back to "Zion" :wink: or anything specific that might be of interest to some here...LGBT suicides/suffering and that sort of thing.

Not that this isn't a concern for many, including leaders that 'mourn with those that mourn'.

What else is there to say?

Regards,
MG


Right. The problem is, I don't trust your opinion or take on things anymore. Sorry. Your record here does not merit me believing anything you just stated about GC. Your brand of Mental Gymnastics to justify the Mormon take on the world is deplorable in my opinion.

Please bring back NOM....

edited to add. MG, you remind me much more of a stayLDS poster than a NOM poster. Your "theology" and reasoning would not go well even on sites like NOM the last few years i'm guessing.
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2bizE from NOM checking in.
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Just go to reddit/r/exmormon!

https://www.reddit.com/r/exmormon/comme ... egathread/

Great material, lol.

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cwald wrote:...I don't trust your opinion or take on things anymore. Sorry.


No need for an apology. I'm not expecting that you would...if you ever did.

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mentalgymnast wrote:
No need for an apology. I'm not expecting that you would...if you ever did.

Regards,
MG


Maybe in my StayLDS days or before you bragged to everyone here that you were a temple recommend holding Mormon, and didn't realize ice tea was against the WoW.

Your approach to the issues just feels way to disingenuous and very dishonest to me. It's why they kicked me out over there at stayLDS. Sometimes is really is just a simple explanation and answer to the questions. Call a spade a spade.


This was well said.

Chap wrote:
After a long experience reading your posts on this board, this is pretty well your standard mode of response whenever any evidence comes up that points to Joseph Smith or some other church leader having done something of which a normal person might disapprove: you wish you understood better, you wish you could get inside the heads of the participants, get in a time machine, etc. And then you suspend judgement.
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Hagoth wrote:Man, I am really missing NOM today.
Me too. A lot. And I can't bring myself to watch. All I've gathered so far is that Elder Uchdorf drinks diet coke, if I read your post correctly.
cwald wrote:Please bring back NOM....
:cry: Yes. Please. Or if anyone is watching, maybe they can start a thread here?
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cwald wrote:
mentalgymnast wrote:
No need for an apology. I'm not expecting that you would...if you ever did.

Regards,
MG


Maybe in my StayLDS days or before you bragged to everyone here that you were a temple recommend holding Mormon, and didn't realize ice tea was against the WoW.


I will follow the same procedure with you as I am with Lemmie. If it seems...from your point of view...that I have misstepped and/or been intellectually dishonest in anything I've said I am totally cool with you bringing it up. Like in this instance. It then gives me an opportunity to distill and/or clarify my thoughts and give a more conclusive/accurate assessment in regards to the topic being discussed/debated.

In this case, I'm not disposed to brag about holding a current temple recommend. If I came across that way to you, I'm sorry. Yes, I do hold current temple recommend. I feel the same way that many others probably feel. Grateful. Blessed. Accountable.

Iced tea. Clarification/distillation- I am aware that there is discussion as to whether or not green tea is against the WofW. I felt OK drinking it. Yes, a bit on the edge, I know. I saw the Snapple Iced Tea and decided to give it a try...the green tea being the 'gateway' drug. I transgressed. Fortunately, I was reminded on this forum that I was probably crossing the line. I discontinued drinking the Snapple. I am sorry that this 'wayward' behavior on my part may have permanently created a situation where you believe I can't be trusted to tell the truth as I know it. So be it.

So there you go. Clarification and distillation in regards to what might be perceived to have been either dishonest/untrustworthy. This process I think will be helpful moving forward.

Thank you for bringing these two concerns of yours to my attention.

cwald wrote:Your approach to the issues just feels way to disingenuous and very dishonest to me. It's why they kicked me out over there at stayLDS. Sometimes is really is just a simple explanation and answer to the questions. Call a spade a spade.


When I can clarify/distill anything I've said into a simpler and/or more understandable/straightforward form...let me know.

cwald wrote:Chap wrote:
After a long experience reading your posts on this board, this is pretty well your standard mode of response whenever any evidence comes up that points to Joseph Smith or some other church leader having done something of which a normal person might disapprove: you wish you understood better, you wish you could get inside the heads of the participants, get in a time machine, etc. And then you suspend judgement.


What is a "normal person"? Are you one? Can you speak for Chap?

And here I've always thought I was pretty 'normal'...

Regards,
MG
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mentalgymnast wrote:
Corsair wrote:...the fabled "Middle Way of Mormonism" does not really exist.


I think it does.

by the way, I was active on the NOM board back in its infancy and toddler days. I went by the name of 'runnerguy'. I was a runner then and I'm still running.

Just not as fast. :lol:

Regards,
MG


I think a middle.ground exists, too. I am stuck someplace between active and exmo/athiest. I still attend church with my family. I believe the church leadership has strayed from the primary principles of the original church teachings. I think the restored gospel is a fraud anyway. So, essentially, we are being led astray from false teachings toward more falsehoods. I do think there is much good taught in the church. The people are my friends and are fellow deceived.
If that is not somewhere in the middle, then I don't know what is middle. Does the church recognize a middle area of the gospel? Maybe. The recent leaks revealed a member grading system. This acknowledges not everyone is top celestial material and that there is the need for some middle area.
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2bizE wrote:I think a middle.ground exists, too. I am stuck someplace between active and exmo/athiest. I still attend church with my family. I believe the church leadership has strayed from the primary principles of the original church teachings. I think the restored gospel is a fraud anyway. So, essentially, we are being led astray from false teachings toward more falsehoods. I do think there is much good taught in the church. The people are my friends and are fellow deceived.
If that is not somewhere in the middle, then I don't know what is middle. Does the church recognize a middle area of the gospel? Maybe. The recent leaks revealed a member grading system. This acknowledges not everyone is top celestial material and that there is the need for some middle area.

From the point of view of our believing family, ward members, and spouses the middle way is, at best, mildly tolerated as long as we continue to act like believers and don't bring up our points of view in Gospel Doctrine class. I recognize valiant souls like Bill Reel who is doing his best to make the nuanced, middle way view more acceptable. FairMormon is kind of making middle way possible by acknowledging issues with faithful answers and a number of pastoral apologists like Patrick Mason, Richard Bushman, and Tyrell Givens quietly grant a need for more tolerance of a middle way.

The problem that I have with these all of these efforts is that they all effectively support all public elements of LDS culture. They all effectively tell you to stick with three hours of church, pay tithing, spread the gospel (ie., say nice things about the church), keep a temple recommend, maintain the Word of Wisdom, and revere Joseph Smith and his successors. Above all, we have to honor the "one true church" mindset with the insistence that LDS priesthood power exclusively owns crucial, universal ordinances of salvation. Problems with feminism, LGBT issues, and the cult of virtue signalling might be regretted, but the current LDS policies will not be discussed beyond repeating the litany of official LDS positions on each of these issues.

The NOM forum acted as a place where all of us "former believers with faithful spouses", wounded semi-believers, hopeful Christians, faithful agitators, and number of snarky malcontents could gather comfortably. We could at least know that we were not the only skeptics among the faithful. We knew that we were not the crazy person in our fractured relationship with the institutional LDS church. This is our desperate instantiation of a middle way and the most official acknowledgment we can expect is getting a suspicious letter grade deep in the bowels of the church office building.
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