Little girl has her mic turned off during F&T meeting

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Lemmie wrote:Some would disagree, at least, ironically.....
Church Mandates Ear-Whisperer for LGBT Members Bearing Testimony
- June 16, 2017
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https://sandyexpositor.wordpress.com/20 ... testimony/

Water Dog wrote:I think this is what would be called fake news... you just got trolled by something along the lines of The Onion.

Are you serious??? You didn't see the word "IRONICALLY" at the beginning of my post? You think I didn't know what that entry was?
ROTFLMAO :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:
WaterDog wrote:Of course, that was the whole point... :)

Yes, MY whole point. I have no idea what your point was. :rolleyes:
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Water Dog wrote:Oh, so Doc had some experiences where people did the ear whisper thing despite the fact that the FP published a damn letter which is sitting right on LDS.org saying don't do it. I served in bishoprics where we explicitly told people DON'T DO THIS. We READ letters over the pulpit from FP saying DON'T DO IT. But Doc knows better. Whatever man, not going to argue with you. You argue about everything, doc knows and sees all, especially the ____ he's the most clueless about My point though is no, you can't leave it alone. You're an exmo that acts like a TBM. Same hyper-emotional irrational overreaction to things... but applied in a direction against the church. Total hypocrisy. And it's been how long for you bro? How old are you? And you're still hanging around here, getting your rocks off being hyper-critical about every little teeny tiny thing. So tiring. I don't have the energy to harbor that much hate myself.


Literally can't make this up.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G18Mu-Uj1fg

Apparently everyone didn't get the memo or are just ignoring it. But hey, fall on your sword for some clear and undeniable bull crap claim.

Anyway. I agree that the Gay kid testimony was a set up and was done for propaganda. It's obvious it was intended to provoke and to be used as fodder to further discredit an already discredited organization.

- Doc

eta: Looks like Water Dog better get the word out because this is still happening...

https://bycommonconsent.com/2012/03/17/ ... testimony/

beej says:

March 17, 2012 at 9:05 am

I really dislike. And I’m not a 19 year old. Our primary has about 250 kids and every fast and testimony we have the same 30 kids get up and take the majority of the meeting saying the EXACT same thing. (sI love my family. I know you can go to the temple when you’re 12. [seriously.] and sometimes an actual reference to a gospel principle)

Now. On the other hand we’ve occasionally had kids give a REAL testimony about an experience that strengthened their faith or just their belief in something real. That I love.

We also have 5 year olds telling 3 year olds what to say. Our bishopric even INVITE children who can’t bear testimony on their own to have help from someone. It really makes for a long, boring, spiritually lacking meeting. And anyone who thinks it would be cute and you have to be self-righteous to dislike kid testimonies just needs to visit my meetings.
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Water Dog wrote:Price of tea in china? You know what else members do, watch porn! I said in my first post about this that old habits die hard. Doesn't change the objective fact that the leadership is trying to rid the culture of this behavior, which is the point...


Your point is a red herring

I was just stating the FACT that often Mormon adults will stand there and whisper in their kids ears telling them what to say, which speaks to the issue some people have with the Gay kid getting help with her testimony from her parents.

You're completely detracting from that fact with some nonsense how the practice has been banned and I've been forced to show you that it's still a commonally practiced phenomenon, which you dismiss out of hand because of your anecdotal experience. Let's just forget that prior to the 2002 (?) policy that discourages the practice this was a cultural norm.

In other words, if a Mormon has issues with the Gay kid getting coached by her parents and they don't denounce the above mentioned practice they're hypocrites.

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Water Dog wrote:Price of tea in china? You know what else members do, watch porn! I said in my first post about this that old habits die hard. Doesn't change the objective fact that the leadership is trying to rid the culture of this behavior, which is the point...

Actually, in your first post in this thread, you said this, which really makes me doubt you are objectively considering the situation:
Water Dog wrote:And there is also probably more information than meets the eye, like the leadership/ward may have already had a history of certain behaviors with this girl and her family.

viewtopic.php?f=1&t=46320&p=1060067&view=show#p1060067
That's quite an assumption to make, "probably."
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Water Dog wrote:All we can do is look at the evidence and make our own judgement. I'll agree to disagree. To be clear though, I'm not suggesting some grand conspiracy theory. What happened happened. My response is more along the lines of a big eye roll. This is no different then Dehlin and his candlelight vigils. It has nothing whatsoever to do with my agreeing or disagreeing with the contents of her little speech. I'm simply rolling my eyes. Ok there Rosa Parks, you sure showed them (insert eye roll).

It's just r*******.

Everybody in exmo internet is sucking each other off over this thing, meanwhile the TBMs don't give a ____. Nor should they. Because, again, it's literally r*******. A little girl got up and said some things which common sense should have told her, and especially her parents, were completely inappropriate for the audience, she very very predictabley got politely asked to sit down - big deal - where's the fire? And instead of just not going to church anymore, lol, of course, let's post it on the internet! How convenient that a video was made. It wasn't made for this purpose though, no way, we just wanted to capture a memory of our Little Wonder Woman. But it sure is convenient though, isn't it, yes, please slap our 12 year old daughters face and name all over the ____ internet.


I'm honestly quite shocked by your response. I get that TBMs won't register this. Hell, they don't register anything beyond what they read on KSL and even that's a stretch sometimes. But surely you've been around long enough to know some Mormons are in fact trying to change the culture from within. It's not as simple as "why don't they stop going to church" for some people. Some people do in fact feel a mission to change the culture from within. I personally agree with you that it's a waste of time, and more often than not, people like this do eventually get to that point and leave. But, some try and take a stab at it thinking they can make a difference. When they realize the church doesn't give two craps, they'll leave and fade from the memories of the TBMs.

Call her Rosa Parks all you want. I like the Rosa Parks of the world because they create events like this to evaluate our cultures and societies. Saying it's retarded seems a bit extreme and I'm not sure why taking it out on a little girl, coached or not, seems appropriate to you. But, whatevs. If it makes you feel better to pick on little girls, go for it.
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Sanctorian wrote:Call her Rosa Parks all you want. I like the Rosa Parks of the world because they create events like this to evaluate our cultures and societies. Saying it's r******* seems a bit extreme and I'm not sure why taking it out on a little girl, coached or not, seems appropriate to you. But, whatevs. If it makes you feel better to pick on little girls, go for it.


1) Please don't infantalize the girl. White Knighting her only disempowers her. She knew exactly what she was doing and that takes balls.

2) I don't think WD is picking on the girl, but rather he's calling out the parents for staging this and then politicizing it, and the circle jerking ex-mo's who virtue signal each other breathlessly how this 'innocent' girl was shut down by the Evil Mormon Bishop. On this point I agree with him. I think this was a deliberate political act by the Gay kid and, probably moreso, her parents.

3) Using Rosa Parks is actually appropriate since the bus incident was a staged act meant to maximize political outrage and secure media attention. There are similarities here.

I think WD makes some valid points that are based in common sense. I do find it interesting, though, that for an apostate he sure does rush to the Church's defense an awful lot and he certainly does try to invalidate a lot of non-faithful points of view as witnessed on this thread. Everyone's faith transition is different, and his is an interesting one.

- Doc
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:I think this was a deliberate political act by the Gay kid and, probably moreso, her parents.

3) Using Rosa Parks is actually appropriate since the bus incident was a staged act meant to maximize political outrage and secure media attention. There are similarities here.


Maybe so. And if so, I would not wish to discourage them from continuing to do so.

I happen to think, by the way, that if Rosa Parks and her friends deliberately picked a favorable moment to start fighting their particular battle, they were doing the right thing. People in the US have been performing 'staged acts meant to maximize political outrage and secure media attention' since the before the War of Independence. It what you have to do if you want to win a fight against well-entrenched power structures.

Similarly, I have no problem with deliberately provocative (though perfectly politely worded) statements like this one being made in sacrament meeting by an LDS girl who already sees herself as lesbian, acting with the support and encouragement of her parents. What else is she supposed to do, wait patiently till the church decides it was wrong? How did that work out for black LDS, by the way?
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Doctor CamNC4Me wrote:
1) Please don't infantalize the girl. White Knighting her only disempowers her. She knew exactly what she was doing and that takes balls.


Agreed

2) I don't think Water Dog is picking on the girl, but rather he's calling out the parents for staging this and then politicizing it, and the circle jerking ex-mo's who virtue signal each other breathlessly how this 'innocent' girl was shut down by the Evil Mormon Bishop. On this point I agree with him. I think this was a deliberate political act by the Gay kid and, probably moreso, her parents.


Agreed. However, from what I've read, the girl has claimed the desire to be an advocate for LGBT youth which was one of her motivating factors for this "stunt". It was clearly thought out and deliberate. The girl and her parents do not deny as much. I still think the "unknown" was the bishop turning off the mic. Had that not happened, no one would have cared to the extent it is now being discussed. I still do not believe they had any indication that would happen and this would be more than a 'local' event for their small movement. The bishop turning off the mic was the defining moment in my opinion. The girl and her parents knew the actions they were taking but, from what I can tell, they did not know he would do that and it would go viral. Deep down maybe they were secretly hoping it would. IDK. I do know everyone seems to be skipping over the part the girl stated she wanted to do this in case there was a youth in her ward that was secretly gay. She wanted to show that person they had a voice. Beyond that, everything seems to be speculation. Calling it retarded seems a bit extreme.
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moksha wrote:Seems to me that the Church policy truly has its roots in the hatred against homosexuality that was part of the Church's eldest leaders generation. This same hatred has not consumed younger generations in the Church and twisted their thoughts in such a way as to believe the root of that hatred emanates from God.

The policy stems from the hatred of old men and it sullies all other benevolent Church doctrines to be included with it.

Apologists might deny that this Church policy poop stinks, but that does not preclude it from being odorific.
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What's the big deal? It gets done all the time, even in Congress...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XEtk14KMpWs
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