Here the link.
http://www.mormondialogue.org/topic/70223-woman-loses-temple-recommend-for-talking-about-her-divorce/
The last several pages have seen several of the men (SMAC, Scotty "Baghdad Bob"LLoyd, Provoman and others) meltdown because the moderation has come down on them for some remarks.
The irony of them howling about being censured in a thread about a women who was censured by a SP is delicious.
SMAC is even asking for suggestions on another board to go to since he no longer understands the rules at MADD.
Funny how that same moderation was okay when it was cracking down on other people.
TR revoked for #metoo apostasy
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RockSlider wrote:After reading Dog's "Divorce" thread, I was not surprised to see him supporting the SP's stance. That very stance might work in his favor soon.
Not really sure what this is supposed to mean. I'm not taking sides in their personal problems. Don't know anything about that situation. Actually, the little bit of information that's out there suggests I'd probably side with her. It sounds like she was disaffected, he was TBM engaged in an affair with some other TBM lady, and now she's an exmo and they're divorced. I just don't agree with shaming people, etc. This whole discussion seems rather childish. At what point can a SP reasonably take a TR and it not be perceived as unrighteous dominion by the exmo crowd? I really don't care about this particular situation. It sounds like he was a jerk and didn't act appropriately. But in principle, say you've got some bitter member of the ward, male or female, that's just creating fights, constantly? Short of calling the cops and having a person physically removed, what tools does a SP have?
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Water Dog wrote:RockSlider wrote:After reading Dog's "Divorce" thread, I was not surprised to see him supporting the SP's stance. That very stance might work in his favor soon.
Not really sure what this is supposed to mean. I'm not taking sides in their personal problems.
Maybe from Your OP?
or maybe this:WaterDog, in OP, wrote:Not sure how I feel about this. I think I disagree with everybody, but if I have to choose sides I think I side with the stake president on this
waterdog wrote: Just looks like an emotional lady having a tantrum.
At what point can a SP reasonably take a TR and it not be perceived as unrighteous dominion by the exmo crowd?
For failing to answer properly the TR questions, assuming both parties agree to the concept of a TR interview.
meadowchik, transcribing the SP audio, wrote:"We took your temple recommend away because you emphatically said you would not stop talking about this with other people. That is the singular reason for which your temple recommend was taken away."
Is "stop talking when I tell you to" a TR question?
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Water Dog wrote:At what point can a stake president reasonably take a TR and it not be perceived as unrighteous dominion by the exmo crowd?
It's the fact that she was disciplined and the adulterers weren't that's problematic.
My then-husband took his mistress to Sacrament meeting (while I was sitting in the first row with his under-one-year-old baby) and, as far as I know, saw not a lick of discipline for it. I contacted both the bishop and the Stake President about his affair and never even got a reply.
A church that doesn't necessarily discipline men caught in physical adultery probably isn't about to start disciplining men caught in "only" emotional adultery, so, I'm not surprised by the woman's story. Just disappointed.
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MsJack wrote:Water Dog wrote:At what point can a stake president reasonably take a TR and it not be perceived as unrighteous dominion by the exmo crowd?
It's the fact that she was disciplined and the adulterers weren't that's problematic.
My then-husband took his mistress to Sacrament meeting (while I was sitting in the first row with his under-one-year-old baby) and, as far as I know, saw not a lick of discipline for it. I contacted both the bishop and the Stake President about his affair and never even got a reply.
A church that doesn't necessarily discipline men caught in physical adultery probably isn't about to start disciplining men caught in "only" emotional adultery, so, I'm not surprised by the woman's story. Just disappointed.
Are you kidding me??? I am sickened and appalled. You rock Ms. Jack...I would have gone completely insane!!
May I say that your ex...has some balls to do this and to get away with it ..I can't even make that work even in LDS worldview, that is so wrong.
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MsJack wrote:My then-husband took his mistress to Sacrament meeting (while I was sitting in the first row with his under-one-year-old baby) and, as far as I know, saw not a lick of discipline for it.
This wasn't the takeaway, but now I'm curious. . . why did you take your kids to LDS sacrament meeting when you were neither Mormon nor happily married to one?
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Dr. Shades wrote:This wasn't the takeaway, but now I'm curious. . . why did you take your kids to LDS sacrament meeting when you were neither Mormon nor happily married to one?
The baby clearly needed edification that Sunday.
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MsJack wrote:My then-husband took his mistress to Sacrament meeting (while I was sitting in the first row with his under-one-year-old baby)
You know the Sisters in that Ward be like:
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MsJack wrote:Water Dog wrote:At what point can a stake president reasonably take a TR and it not be perceived as unrighteous dominion by the exmo crowd?
It's the fact that she was disciplined and the adulterers weren't that's problematic.
My then-husband took his mistress to Sacrament meeting (while I was sitting in the first row with his under-one-year-old baby) and, as far as I know, saw not a lick of discipline for it. I contacted both the bishop and the Stake President about his affair and never even got a reply.
A church that doesn't necessarily discipline men caught in physical adultery probably isn't about to start disciplining men caught in "only" emotional adultery, so, I'm not surprised by the woman's story. Just disappointed.
If I look up "asshole" in the dictionary, will I find his picture? Sheesh!!
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MsJack wrote:It's the fact that she was disciplined and the adulterers weren't that's problematic.
My then-husband took his mistress to Sacrament meeting (while I was sitting in the first row with his under-one-year-old baby) and, as far as I know, saw not a lick of discipline for it. I contacted both the bishop and the Stake President about his affair and never even got a reply.
A church that doesn't necessarily discipline men caught in physical adultery probably isn't about to start disciplining men caught in "only" emotional adultery, so, I'm not surprised by the woman's story. Just disappointed.
That's barbaric. In the case of the OP, I suppose the distinction for me is public vs private behavior. I've served in a bishopric, seen it many times, people want the power structure of the church to go after someone. Revenge on the spouse, or the aunt or uncle, the cousin, a child, a parent, whoever. For whatever reason. A good leader tries not to get in the middle and avoids being influenced by that drama.