Pearl of Great Price Central Facsimile 1 as a Sacrifice Scene

[_Shulem]

After the flood whereby God swore to destroy all flesh from off the earth, they disembarked from the ark: Noah and his wife, Shem, Ham, Japheth, and their wives. The waters receded after the ark had sailed safely from what was once ancient Jackson County Missouri to what would become Mesopotamia -- the New World. That's eight people to replenish and repopulate the earth, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.

The land of Egypt being first discovered by a woman, who was the daughter of Ham, and the daughter of Egyptus, which in the Chaldean signifies Egypt, which signifies that which is forbidden;

Ham's daughter was of exceptionally good health and took a journey until she found a strange land way out yonder far away from what would become the promised land in the New World. Way to go, Mrs Darkie, you've just discovered Egypt! By the way, your mom's name is Egyptus because she is so royal! Apparently your mother and father have serious issues because your mother is black and will preserve the curse. Future prophets such as Brigham Young and Joseph Fielding Smith will comment on that but in the meantime you're going to have to settle for the fact that you're cursed. Your father Ham has been a very naughty man. He married a black woman! You too are cursed because you're black.

When this woman discovered the land it was under water, who afterward settled her sons in it; and thus, from Ham, sprang that race which preserved the curse in the land.

Mrs Darkie was healthy and strong. She had many sons. She settled them on the Delta wherein the river was constant and the land was fertile.

Now the first government of Egypt was established by Pharaoh, the eldest son of Egyptus, the daughter of Ham, and it was after the manner of the government of Ham, which was patriarchal.

After the flood Noah planted vineyards, tilled the ground, and got drunk. One day, Ham found Noah drunk and passed out in his tent. Ham's daughter gave birth to a son and called him PHAH. He would rule all the land in which she founded. She called his name Pharaoh which signified king by royal blood and he being a righteous man, established his kingdom and judged his people wisely and justly all his days. They went to live in the land of Egypt on the Nile River. Ham's daughter frequently sent letters to Noah and her uncle Shem who lived up north in Mesopotamia.

Can you believe this garbage?

[_Shulem]

Abraham is not just talking about the idolatrous Pharaoh of his own day fain claiming the priesthood but ALL the Pharaohs (PLURAL) since the days of Ham!! And with that said, how may Pharaohs ruled Egypt over the course of 350 years? This implies a sure knowledge that the kings of Egypt would have known of HAM and details of this information would have been contained in Egyptian chronicles and in the records not just from the days of Ham but all the way to Abraham and THEREAFTER!!!

Now with that said, it only gets worse, much, much, worse.



Noah was 600 years old (Gen 7:6,11) when the earth was flooded and his sons (Japheth, Shem, and Ham) were 150, 108, and 100 years old, respectively (Moses 8:12).

Now get this, and listen up: Noah lived to the age of 950 years (Gen 9:29) and died at about the time Abraham journed to the land of Canaan (Abr 2:14,15) after living in Haran for 10 years (Gen 16:3).

This means that (according to Egyptian chronology) the grand patriarch Noah was alive all the way up till the time of the powerful Egyptian 12th Dynasty!

QUESTION for John Gee:

Explain how Abraham is sitting on a 12th Dynasty throne while the grand patriarch Noah presides over the entire earth according to the Teachings of the Prophet Joseph Smith?

[Guest]

Folks, you do realize that I'm just getting started?

I am destroying the Book of Abraham, finally, and completely -- once and for all.




At the Tower of Babel, the earth was divided whereby the Adamic language was confounded and other tongues were employed. The patriarch Eber named his newborn son Peleg which means division. The Tower fell and nations were established (Gen 10:25,32). This means that the Egyptians under PHARAOH (PHAH HO E OOP) were still speaking in the Adamic tongue. At what point did they convert from Adamic to Egyptian? Where in the potsherds do we find evidence of this?

John Gee, please explain!

According to biblical chronology, the Tower of Babel fell only 101 years after the flood (BUT IT'S NOT FAIR TO SAY THAT BECAUSE THE EARTH WAS DIVIDED SOMETIME IN THE DAYS OF PELEG AND LANGUAGES WERE CONFOUNDED, BUT WHEN I CAN'T SAY) and the Jeredites prepared for their journey to the Book of Mormon promised land (Ether 2). The Egyptian civilization thrived during the time that Peleg age 30 begat Reu (Gen 11:18), Reu age 32 begat Serug (Gen 11:20), Serug age 30 begat Nahor (Gen 11:22), Nahor age 29 begat Terah (Gen 11:24), Terah age 70 begat Abram (Gen 11:26), wherein within 70 years Abraham is sitting on an Egyptian throne in the midst of the 12th Dynasty or thereabouts!

And, you'll note, I've said absolutely nothing about the Great Pyramids!!!

The biblical account mingled with the Book of Abraham is IMPOSSIBLE. Period. End of story.

[_moksha]

Ham's daughter gave birth to a son and called him PHAH. He would rule all the land in which she founded. She called his name Pharaoh which signified king by royal blood and he being a righteous man...

Little good that royal blood be for Pharaoh if the Saints would exclude him for the color of his skin.

[_Shulem]

Ham's daughter gave birth to a son and called him PHAH. He would rule all the land in which she founded. She called his name Pharaoh which signified king by royal blood and he being a righteous man...

Little good that royal blood be for Pharaoh if the Saints would exclude him for the color of his skin.

Ur getting ahead of me. You're very perceptive my little black and white friend!

:biggrin:

[_moksha]

Ur getting ahead of me.
:biggrin:

Sorry, watched too many PBS mysteries I suppose.

[_Shulem]

QUESTION for John Gee:

Please check the box that best describes the biblical chronological time when the 4th Dynasty Pyramid of Kufu was built:

[ ] Before Noah's flood
[ ] Shem begat Arphaxad 2 years after the flood
[ ] Arphaxad age 35 begat Salah
[ ] Salah age 30 begat Eber
[ ] Eber age 34 begat Peleg
[ ] Peleg age 30 begat Reu
[ ] Reu age 32 begat Serug
[ ] Serug age 30 begat Nahor
[ ] Nahor age 29 begat Terah
[ ] Terah age 70 begat Abram
[ ] Abram age 100 and Sarah beget Isaac
[ ] Isaac age 60 begat Esau and Jacob
[ ] Joseph age 39 when he reveals himself to his brethren



You are beaten! I win! Ha ha.

[_Shulem]

Let's cut to the chase (it was late last night) and not worry about when or what year the earth was divided and when exactly the tower of Babel fell in the days of Peleg, although according to the biblical account, it happened sometime during Peleg's long life. I don't want to make mistakes and get sidetracked because as soon as I make one little mistake the apologists will discount everything I say and judge my work completely unreliable. That is one of the tricks apologists like to use. Nonetheless, let's focus strictly on the chronology established by the biblical account and see how it's utterly IMPOSSIBLE (0% plausiblity) that the Egyptian civilization was founded by Ham's progeny. Let's put all the chips on the table right now. Shall we? The Mormons can't justify the Book of Abraham's false narrative unless they deny Egyptology & science for the sake of defending their doomed book of scripture. Let's now account for the string of events recorded in the Bible:

1. Noah disembarks from the ark as the grand patriarch of the new world.
2. Shem begat Arphaxad 2 years after the flood.
3. Arphaxad age 35 begat Salah
4. Salah age 30 begat Eber
5. Eber age 34 begat Peleg
6. Peleg age 30 begat Reu
7. Reu age 32 begat Serug
8. Serug age 30 begat Nahor
9. Nahor age 29 begat Terah
10. Terah age 70 begat Abram
11. Abram age 75 begins his journey to Canaan (Book of Abraham says age 62)

This accounts for a total of 365 years since the flood.

Abraham is now in Egypt!

But note the following patriarchs were still alive during Abraham's Egyptian sojourn:

Noah (died at age 950)
Reu (died at age 239)
Serug (died at age 230
Tera (died at age 205)
Arphaxad (died at age 438)
Salah (died at age 433)
Shem (died at age 610)
Eber (died at age 464)

Note that this includes Noah and Shem who was the so-called "great high priest" mentioned in D&C 138:41.

That is quite an assembly of patriarchs who were alive and well when Abraham went to Egypt and sat on Pharaoh's throne to teach his court astronomy and God only knows what else? But, it's imperative that it be understood that Abraham's life according to the biblical record and working backward in time would have been in or about the 12th Dynasty. Even John Gee knows this and surely wrestles with the implications of what this suggests. What does it suggest? Well, simply put: The 365 years from the flood to Abraham in Egypt is NOT by any stretch enough time to include:

1. Predynastic Egypt
2. Earlydynastic Egypt
3. Old Kingdom (Great Pyramids)
4. 1st Intermediate Period

Poor pitiful John Gee is left how to put the 4 epochs of Egyptian history into the 365 years allotted by biblical chronology! It can't be done. Science and Egyptology positively confirm beyond a shadow of doubt that that Egypt's Making and the periods mentioned above are far longer than what the Book of Abraham demands in making Ham the father of the Egyptian race! The dynastic periods alone exceed 1,000 years to say nothing of Predynastic Egpypt!!!

Folks, this an open and shut case. It *IS* John Gee's worst nightmare and he knows it!

It's the silver bullet in killing the Book of Abraham.

The Book of Abraham is DEAD. There is nothing the Mormons can do to save it.

[_Shulem]

How do I account for the Egyptian periods consisting of Predynastic, Earlydynastic, Old Kingdom, and the 1st Intermediate Period having occurred between the time of Ham's progeny discovering the land of Egypt and Abraham sitting on Pharaoh's throne?

I can't. I have no explanation for that. But I'm sure there are parallels that will help us better understand. Would you like to hear a parallel?

Old MacDonald had a farm
Ee i ee i o
And on his farm he had some cows
Ee i ee i oh
With a moo-moo here
And a moo-moo there
Here a moo, there a moo
Everywhere a moo-moo
Old MacDonald had a farm
Ee i ee i o
Old MacDonald had a farm
Ee i ee i o
And on his farm he had some chicks
Ee i ee i o
With a cluck-cluck here
And a cluck-cluck there
Here a cluck, there a cluck
Everywhere a cluck-cluck
Old MacDonald had a farm
Ee i ee i o
Old MacDonald had a farm
Ee i ee i o
And on his farm he had some pigs
Ee i ee i o
With an oink-oink here
And an oink-oink there
Here an oink, there an oink
Everywhere an oink-oink
Old MacDonald had a farm
Ee i ee i o

[_Shulem]

You're asking me when the Pyramids were built?

We don't know when they were built. We do know that the land of Egypt being first discovered by a woman, who was the daughter of Ham, and the daughter of Egyptus settled her sons in it; and thus, from Ham, sprang that race which preserved the curse in the land. Now the first government of Egypt was established by Pharaoh, the eldest son of Egyptus, the daughter of Ham, and it was after the manner of the government of Ham, which was patriarchal.

But when the Pyramids were built? We don't know.

They had to have been built before Abraham visited Egypt, obviously. But when? I can't say. They had to have been built sometime after the flood but we don't know when.