Re: Church Historian Admits “Compelling Evidence to Doubt” Mormonism
Posted: Tue May 02, 2023 2:42 am
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You’d have to. People who are without brains would be unable to use the internet.consiglieri wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:30 pmI’m sorry, MG.
I posted that for people with a brain in their head.
And yet MG continues to confound and amaze.Salvete wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 2:44 amYou’d have to. People who are without brains would be unable to use the internet.consiglieri wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:30 pmI’m sorry, MG.
I posted that for people with a brain in their head.
Yes, but do you have any actual reasons.......Rivendale wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 2:22 amReasons to disbelieve the truth claims of the LDS Church?.....Book of Abraham. Child Brides. Kinderhook plates. Seer stones. Bank Frauds. .Sec Fraud. Mountain Meadows. Mark Hofmann.The September 6. Patriarchal blessings. Failed healings. Constant changing doctrine. Anachronisms. Lack of historical evidence. Shoot out at Carthage. Non disclosure agreements. Hiding historical information. Hiding finances. Changing conference talks. Doublespeak. Lying about electroshock therapy. Ignoring scientific evidence regarding archeology, evolution, cosmology, physiology, biology. Encouraging hate for LGBTQ individuals including physical violence. Current apostles disavowing their own children over a simple lunch. Lying about growth to encourage and bolster a false view regarding truth claims. Women's rights. Human rights. Soft stance on slavery. Failed prophecy. Native American Genicide. Handcart disasters. Changing definitions of words. And that is just a start.MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:00 pmNot so. There is no compelling reason to believe any one of your three examples as being reason to disbelieve in the truth claims of the LDS Church. They COULD be used as showing counter examples to logic and reason.
Again, opposition in ALL things.
Regards,
MG
As Elder McKay mentioned in his talk there are compelling reasons that some people might find to leave the church. Some of those are in your list. Some of them aren’t.Rivendale wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 2:22 amReasons to disbelieve the truth claims of the LDS Church?.....Book of Abraham. Child Brides. Kinderhook plates. Seer stones. Bank Frauds. .Sec Fraud. Mountain Meadows. Mark Hofmann.The September 6. Patriarchal blessings. Failed healings. Constant changing doctrine. Anachronisms. Lack of historical evidence. Shoot out at Carthage. Non disclosure agreements. Hiding historical information. Hiding finances. Changing conference talks. Doublespeak. Lying about electroshock therapy. Ignoring scientific evidence regarding archeology, evolution, cosmology, physiology, biology. Encouraging hate for LGBTQ individuals including physical violence. Current apostles disavowing their own children over a simple lunch. Lying about growth to encourage and bolster a false view regarding truth claims. Women's rights. Human rights. Soft stance on slavery. Failed prophecy. Native American Genicide. Handcart disasters. Changing definitions of words. And that is just a start.MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 8:00 pmNot so. There is no compelling reason to believe any one of your three examples as being reason to disbelieve in the truth claims of the LDS Church. They COULD be used as showing counter examples to logic and reason.
Again, opposition in ALL things.
Regards,
MG
Or visa versa.sock puppet wrote: ↑Tue May 02, 2023 2:31 amI've come to believe that most folks that stay in the church cannot see beyond the end of their nose. Check mate.MG 2.0 wrote: ↑Mon May 01, 2023 4:30 pmProblem of evil. Revelation in our day through prophets, existence of God, etc.
The list could go on.
The antidote which he presented was clear. I’ve come to believe that many folks that leave the church have not developed a firm testimony of Jesus Christ. As a result, they are prone to cracks in their foundation that then lead to their structure of faith being at risk.
Regards,
MG
I would love to have you as a neighbor.
Preach to us MG. We need the hard word of the Lord to clarify and cleanse, and I think you are fit for the task at hand. Tell us where we lack and don't hold back. The outside lurkers want a show, perhaps demand a show.
That makes sense. Real historians value objectivity and critical thinking. Lawyers, like apologists, just argue in behalf of their client, regardless of where the evidence might actually lead.