Mormon at ages 11, 15, 24 is really Joseph Smith Jr., in disguise!

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Re: Mormon at ages 11, 15, 24 is really Joseph Smith Jr., in disguise!

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Don Bradley wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2023 6:42 am
There are unquestionably parallels between Joseph Smith and Mormon: they are closely parallel figures. I would hope everyone would recognize that. What people may disagree on is just the source and meaning of the parallels.

Don-baby,

What did Joseph Smith ever say about these alleged parallels? How about his sidekicks, the Pratt boys? What did they say?

You know what, Don? I think you should realize that these parallels that you and I are talking about are a modern construct of our time and have nothing to do with Mormonism in Kirtland and Nauvoo. And here we are nearly 200 years later talking about this crap. Let's you and I shake hands and confess that we got one over on Joseph Smith and know his scheme. Okay? You and me are coooool. ;)

You gotta love it.

Where the hell is the Backyard Professor? He's AWOL. Goddamnit! Mormonism is the most exciting subject on planet earth! Kerry, where the hell are uuuuuu?

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I am not absent, I am ponderizing... :D
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Don Bradley wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2023 6:42 am
There are unquestionably parallels between Joseph Smith and Mormon: they are closely parallel figures. I would hope everyone would recognize that.

What does the official Book of Mormon Student Manual have to say about parallels in Mormon chapter one and the life of Joseph Smith? We are reminded that Joseph Smith taught the very word "Mormon" means "literally, more good." AND, we are reminded by President Hinckley that the Church is directly referenced after his name (Mormon). President Hinckley pays direct reference to two of the three numbers in Mormon's life which I've showcased in this thread but NO MENTION OF ANY PARALLEL with that of the life of Joseph Smith. The student manual of the Church says nothing!

Gordon B. Hinckley wrote:May I remind you for a moment of the greatness and of the goodness of this man Mormon. He lived on this American continent in the fourth century after Christ. When Mormon was a boy of ten, the historian of the people, whose name was Ammaron, described him as ‘a sober child, and … quick to observe’ (Mormon 1:2). Ammaron gave him a charge that when he reached the age of twenty-four, he was to take custody of the records of the generations who had preceded him.

Now, I'm not saying that Hinckley never recognized there may be parallels between Mormon & Smith but these things are not mentioned here.
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Philo Sofee wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2023 1:33 pm
I am not absent, I am ponderizing... :D

I love to ponderize. 8-)
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Don Bradley wrote:
Tue Sep 12, 2023 6:42 am
There are unquestionably parallels between Joseph Smith and Mormon: they are closely parallel figures. I would hope everyone would recognize that. What people may disagree on is just the source and meaning of the parallels.

QUESTION for Don Bradley:

When Joseph Smith dictated (translated) the story of Mormon, did he recognize the 11-15-24 parallels?

[ ] Yes
[ ] No
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Philo Sofee wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2023 1:33 pm
I am not absent, I am ponderizing... :D

Oh, I forgot to request that you tell us what you think after you're done ponderizing.

We want to know! Ain't that right, Kish?

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President Marion G. Romney failed to make the connection between Mormon & Smith when given a golden opportunity during a talk he gave in a general priesthood meeting in April of 1978 while addressing Aaronic Priesthood holders. Oh, he recognized faithful prophets in the scriptures such as Joseph of Egypt, Daniel, Nephi, and finally on to Joseph Smith in our times. But no parallel is specifically mentioned between Mormon & Smith. The combination 11-15-24 is not recognized even though he brings up specific points about Mormon's ministry.

Marion G. Romney wrote:In case some of you Aaronic Priesthood bearers feel that you are too young to assume the responsibility of your calling, consider these quotations from the writings of Mormon:

"About the time that Ammaron hid up the records unto the Lord, he came unto me, (I being about ten years of age, . . .) and . . . said unto me: . . .

"When ye are about twenty and four years old I would that ye should remember the things that ye have observed concerning this people; and . . . go to the . . . hill which shall be called Shim; and there have I deposited . . . the sacred engravings concerning this people. . . .

"Take the plates of Nephi . . . and . . . engrave on [them] all the things that ye have observed concerning this people." (Morm. 1:2-4.)

These instructions Mormon received when he was but ten years old.

Five years later he wrote:

"And I, being fifteen years of age . . . , there began to be a war again between the Nephites and the Lamanites. And notwithstanding I being young, was large in stature; therefore the people of Nephi appointed me . . . the leader of their armies.

"Therefore it came to pass that in my sixteenth year I did go forth at the head of an army of the Nephites, against the Lamanites." (Morm. 1:15; 2:1-2.)

It would seem that an Aaronic Priesthood bearer inclined to hesitate to perform the duties of his office because of his youth could take courage from the exploits of Mormon.

Now, to be fair, Romney's next statement does connect Joseph Smith with the prophets in the scriptures including Mormon, but no direct link or parallels are made with the 11-15-24 combination:

Marion G. Romney wrote:In his youth Joseph Smith, the prophet, exhibited all the noble virtues other boys who became great men have evidenced during their Aaronic Priesthood-age years. He possessed the morality demonstrated by Joseph in Egypt, the courage of Daniel, the faith of Nephi, and the reliability of Mormon.

At fourteen years of age, he had the faith to act upon the promise of James: "If any of you lack wisdom, let him ask of God, that giveth to all men liberally, and upbraideth not; and it shall be given him." (James 1:5.)

So acting, he received his first vision.

Courage and reliability he demonstrated in his reaction to the abuse which followed his telling about that vision.

"I soon found," he wrote, ". . . that my telling the story had excited a great deal of prejudice against me among professors of religion, and was the cause of great persecution, which continued to increase; and though I was an obscure boy, only between fourteen and fifteen years of age, and my circumstances in life such as to make a boy of no consequence in the world, yet men of high standing would take notice sufficient to excite the public mind against me, and create a bitter persecution; and this was common among all the sects — all united to persecute me. . . .

Romney concludes with extolling the virtues of young prophets and encourages the youth in our times by saying, "These great virtues, you young Aaronic Priesthood brothers, are worth following if we would be successful as the great men who have preceded us. I bear my testimony to you that if we will do what these boys did, we will be great men."

That's it. Romney didn't know jack! He failed to make the connection!

So, what do you think of that, Don?
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Gadianton wrote:
Sun May 07, 2023 4:53 pm
The connection to Mormon and the plates at age 24 has to be a dead hit.

Gad,

The elements that combine two persons into one are clear and evident:

1. Hill
2. Plates
3. Age 24
4. Large in stature

If Mormon's narrative was shy of any of the above elements, then the hit would be a miss and you wouldn't have to listen to me go on and on about it. But it's all there, right before our eyes, and our eyes are not lying!

Gadianton wrote:
Sun May 07, 2023 4:53 pm
Of course, Mormons will agree and say, "Look! Mormon was a type and a shadow unto the Prophet Joseph".

Sure, today's Mormons, but not yesterday's. And it will be the apologists that start that trainwreck because the prophets are too dumb to figure anything out. Russell Nelson is a complete dodo -- a braindead lazy learner and a dipwad. Nelson creeps me out. I think he's evil and possessed by a lying spirit. That's my opinion.
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Shulem wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2023 2:24 pm
the 11-15-24 parallels
Could there be a summary of each parallel using a

1. 11 -

2. 15 -

3. 24 -

numbering system for easy reader understanding? Thanks.
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Moksha wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2023 9:49 pm
Shulem wrote:
Sun Sep 24, 2023 2:24 pm
the 11-15-24 parallels
Could there be a summary of each parallel using a

1. 11 -

2. 15 -

3. 24 -

numbering system for easy reader understanding? Thanks.

Here we go again:

1. Age 11 - Mormon (Joseph) rode out of town with Daddy on his mind
2. Age 15 - Mormon (Joseph) met Jesus and tasted his goodness
3. Age 24 - Mormon (Joseph) translated plates

Please note in No. 3 that Mormon was directed by Ammaron years in advance to go to hill Shim to obtain the plates just as Joseph was directed by Moroni years in advance to go to hill Cumorah. Both were age 24 when they translated! Hello! People! Wake the hell up!

Folks, this is NOT Goddamn rocket science. It's Joseph Smith pulling the wool over your f-king eyes!!!

Wake up people!

Jesus H. Christ!

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