What is a spiritual experience?

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I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 6:10 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 4:54 am


Kripal’s work simply demonstrates that the numbers of people that have experiences that seemingly go beyond the mundane is much larger than a skeptic might think.
No. Kripal’s work shows that the number of people claiming supernatural contact is commonplace outside of Mormonism’s idea that you need to abide by Mormonism’s rules to be worthy of spirituality.
“Mormonism’s rules to be worthy of spirituality”???

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I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 6:10 am

So you have an open mind to the idea that these experiences are emotionally self generated?
I think it’s a mix and can only be determined on a case by case basis. A lot of people. A lot of experiences.

One size may not fit all.

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I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 6:10 am
But you reject any experience that others have had that flies contrary to what it is you have pre determined to believe.
Not necessarily. I think that God may speak to different people according to the relationship and understanding they have with/of Him.

Again, a LOT of people on planet earth throughout a large swathe of history and conditions.

One size, again, does not fit all.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:17 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 6:10 am

So you have an open mind to the idea that these experiences are emotionally self generated?
I think it’s a mix and can only be determined on a case by case basis. A lot of people. A lot of experiences.

One size may not fit all.

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So you’re not open-minded. Despite Kripal.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 6:10 am
What sensational qualities do spiritual experiences have, that are absent from emotional experiences?
You would, again, have to determine that for yourself on a case by case basis.

And you have a LOT of people. Not just Mormons.

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I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:22 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:17 pm


I think it’s a mix and can only be determined on a case by case basis. A lot of people. A lot of experiences.

One size may not fit all.

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So you’re not open-minded. Despite Kripal.
I am open minded along with Kripal.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:23 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 6:10 am
You would, again, have to determine that for yourself on a case by case basis.

And you have a LOT of people. Not just Mormons.

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Stop deflecting. Again. I’m asking YOU what sensational qualities do spiritual experiences have, that are absent from emotional experiences? How do YOU specifically differentiate them?
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:23 pm
I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:22 pm
So you’re not open-minded. Despite Kripal.
I am open minded along with Kripal.

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You've yet to demonstrate that you are. But we shall see.
Premise 1. Eyewitness testimony is notoriously unreliable.
Premise 2. The best evidence for the Book of Mormon is eyewitness testimony.
Conclusion. Therefore, the best evidence for the Book of Mormon is notoriously unreliable.
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I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:25 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:23 pm


You would, again, have to determine that for yourself on a case by case basis.

And you have a LOT of people. Not just Mormons.

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MG
Stop deflecting. Again. I’m asking YOU what sensational qualities do spiritual experiences have, that are absent from emotional experiences? How do YOU specifically differentiate them?
I’ve already answered your question. The qualitative experience that any one individual has is only accessible to them. I cannot share, and would not share if I could, my experiences with you. We each have to determine for ourselves the things of ‘the spirit’ and come to our own realizations and conclusions. Even if tentative conclusions for some.

I think it would do you well to accept the open mindedness of Kripal rather than simply discarding the spiritual/religious experiences of others. Many of them privately held.

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I Have Questions wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:28 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Thu Oct 31, 2024 7:23 pm
I am open minded along with Kripal.

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You've yet to demonstrate that you are. But we shall see.
Interesting that you would make the determination who “we” are.

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