Should the Dehlin/Rosebud drama be deleted?

[Rosebud]

For the record, links to the Mormon Stories website where these podcasts are housed and the court documents in the Nelson case along with relevant dates are all in chronological order in the Organized Sexual Abuse chronology linked in my signature.

Is the real problem here that John likes the stupid red herring “Satanic Ritual Abuse,” which also helps discredit victims… and that Nelson’s daughter brought up as her only defense (besides dismissal based on stature of limitations) in the Does’ lawsuit against her? And that I use the more respectful academic term: “organized child sexual abuse”?

If anything, the fact that I use a respectful academic term and John uses the Nelson red herring term from the lawsuit should speak for itself… and in my favor.

[Rosebud]

I think it makes more sense to talk about the real issue:

John has millions of dollars in donor money that he has a history of using to sue people in the exMormon community.

And nobody (else) should lose their personal assets over this… or have to deal with the stress of being pelted by motions from Jenifer Tomchak in another aggressive lawsuit.

It is fair to be having this discussion because there is real danger.

That said, I’ve only told the truth. And a message board isn’t responsible for what I post.

[IWMP]

I am not entirely sure why he would sue.

Nobody is talking about JD suing a message board. It seems you take no personal accountability for yourself whatsoever. The liability would be if you, in time, were to go off the deep end and become a threat to yourself or others, and act upon it.

Huh?

[msnobody]

Nobody is talking about JD suing a message board. It seems you take no personal accountability for yourself whatsoever. The liability would be if you, in time, were to go off the deep end and become a threat to yourself or others, and act upon it.

Huh?

Meant for Rosebud, not pirate.

[Jesse Pinkman]

I think it makes more sense to talk about the real issue:

John has millions of dollars in donor money that he has a history of using to sue people in the exMormon community.

And nobody (else) should lose their personal assets over this… or have to deal with the stress of being pelted by motions from Jenifer Tomchak in another aggressive lawsuit.

It is fair to be having this discussion because there is real danger.

That said, I’ve only told the truth. And a message board isn’t responsible for what I post.

The point of all of this is that Shades, as the founder of the board, is ultimately responsible for what is allowed to be posted here. He has made rules which ALL members here have agreed to abide by. The question is whether or not the mega thread has crossed the line regarding making another member of the board feel uncomfortable due to delving into in real life matters.

Frankly, I feel that the thread should be moved to the Moderator Board because it has crossed that line. If the situation were in reverse and John was posting these types of things about you, I would feel the same.

At the VERY least, it needs to be moved to the Telestial forum because personal attacks abound.

[jpatterson]

This entire conversation is silly, but par for the course. I'm sad I allowed myself to get dragged into it at all.

Dr Shades, anyone telling you that you should be afraid of getting sued by John Dehlin for stuff other people post here should get their head checked.

None of this matters.

[IWMP]

Huh?

Meant for Rosebud, not pirate.

Scared me there.

[Analytics]

Should I remove the "The Rosebud MEGATHREAD" and ban all further accusations of alleged criminal conduct on Dehlin's part, under the auspices that he is a poster here, even if his real name and user name aren't linked?

For my part, I follow the MEGATHREAD for its entertainment value, but when I do so, I feel like I'm watching Jerry Springer. Everyone has had a chance to say what they wanted to say, and it's time the topic be put to rest. It's not about protecting Dehlin as a poster here, but rather it's about not being a tool for somebody who needs some serious psychological intervention.

[Rosebud]

I think it makes more sense to talk about the real issue:

John has millions of dollars in donor money that he has a history of using to sue people in the exMormon community.

And nobody (else) should lose their personal assets over this… or have to deal with the stress of being pelted by motions from Jenifer Tomchak in another aggressive lawsuit.

It is fair to be having this discussion because there is real danger.

That said, I’ve only told the truth. And a message board isn’t responsible for what I post.

The point of all of this is that Shades, as the founder of the board, is ultimately responsible for what is allowed to be posted here. He has made rules which ALL members here have agreed to abide by. The question is whether or not the mega thread has crossed the line regarding making another member of the board feel uncomfortable due to delving into in real life matters.

Frankly, I feel that the thread should be moved to the Moderator Board because it has crossed that line. If the situation were in reverse and John was posting these types of things about you, I would feel the same.

At the VERY least, it needs to be moved to the Telestial forum because personal attacks abound.

John has defamed me hugely and widely. You do not feel the same. John has had the power and has used it devastatingly. Not just in my life, but in many lives. Yet people are blind to it and blame messengers instead of acknowledging that it is his own actions, not mine or anyone else’s, that bring any consequences upon him.

And, again, this is not breaking board rules because we’re talking about a public figure. Conflating this with board member status makes little sense.

And putting it in the Telestial Kingdom does nothing to protect the board or the moderators from John.



That said, I do agree that the moderators and the board shouldn’t have to pay any real world consequences.

[Rosebud]

Nobody is talking about JD suing a message board. It seems you take no personal accountability for yourself whatsoever. The liability would be if you, in time, were to go off the deep end and become a threat to yourself or others, and act upon it.

Huh?

I don’t get this at all. You’re saying the board would be liable if I died by suicide or started doing something like shooting people? Why would the board be liable? And why would I do that?

Besides being completely illogical, coming from someone who has never met me in the real world, these are huge assumptions. You reveal far more about yourself than me.

I mean, just wow. How do people come up with this stuff and think it makes sense?