Vogel Schools Jacob Hansen on Book of Abraham

[Everybody Wang Chung]

Some people think Joseph Smith got the character standing (with an uncontrollable erection) in front of Min wrong.

But students of Joseph Smith and Church history view this as a bullseye. It perfectly represents the way he lived his life.

Either the Church is true, or Joseph was the world’s greatest guesser.

[Shulem]

This adds to the number of lucky coincidences associated with Joseph's output. There seems to be a mix. Some that lead towards doubt and skepticism and others that lead to one saying, "Well, that's interesting.'

A number of lucky coincidences that leads to doubt and skepticism? What?

List your so-called "number" of coincidences and then we can analyze how they influence those who perceive them.

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[Shulem]

Some people think Joseph Smith got the character standing (with an uncontrollable erection) in front of Min wrong.

But students of Joseph Smith and Church history view this as a bullseye. It perfectly represents the way he lived his life.

Either the Church is true, or Joseph was the world’s greatest guesser.

The three Facsimiles with their accompanying explanations have been thorns in the Book of Abraham bush for over a hundred years and to this day never has a Church President said anything publicly to defend the false explanations. Nor has any leader of the Church said anything about how ancient Egypt is far older than the tale told in chapter one about how and when the government of Egypt was founded by a woman named Egyptus (Aegyptus) and that her son was named Pharaoh.

This historical narrative is no more true than what we read about in the Book of Mormon. It's all fake storytelling given by Joseph Smith who pretended to translate ancient languages.

[Moksha]

I need to know if we’re talking about a Mickey Mouse fictional character before I waste a lot of time going that into the weeds.

The weeds? More like 'the meat'.

Regards,
MG

Olah Shinehah, Gringoes!

[Shulem]

Hansen starts out with a Nibley apologetic theory that Phelps who was a scribe to Joseph Smith was responsible for attempting to reverse engineer a translation process for the hieroglyphic characters in a failed attempt to figure out how Smith originally did it. It's a case of blaming the scribes but giving Joseph a break because he didn't know what he was doing during the reverse engineering process! Thus we see the Spirit was wholly lacking; poor Joe lost the Spirit!

Look, There is a mini-thread in the Celestial forum entitled But Joseph USED those goofy GAEL words that touches on this point and how it makes no sense that Smith would spend so much time and effort undergoing a man-made project that was void of the Spirit® of revelation. All of this runs contrary to anything the prophet ever said about how he translated by the Spirit®.

Hansen is a retarded dope.

[Shulem]

I need to know if we’re talking about a Mickey Mouse fictional character before I waste a lot of time going that into the weeds.

The weeds? More like 'the meat'.

The weedy Book of Abraham has become a bed of weeds for MG who is unwilling to unravel the scrolls for himself and see how Smith was planting his own garden based on faulty biblical history and secular knowledge of his day. I'm afraid that MG is possessed by a lying spirit. He is a deceiver!

Weed No. 1.
Egypt was founded in 2300 BC

Weed No. 2.
Egypt was founded by a woman bearing a Greek name

Weed No. 3.
The first government of Egypt was established some 700 years after the formation of the First Dynasty circa 3000 BC

[Shulem]

I, Queen Egyptus, have granted my son Pharaoh the right to establish his kingdom and judge his people wisely and justly all his days and to bear Adam's priesthood here in this land.

I love this Egyptian weed.

[Shulem]

The problem seems to be that Vogel does not directly engage with the significance of Shinehah as a genuine Egyptian word for the sun recognized by Egyptologists.

The problem with MG (liar) is he does not directly engage with the significance of Egypt's First Dynasty (3000 BC) which predates the Book of Abraham origin story (2300 BC) that tells how and when Egypt came into existence according to the biblical timeline and Smith's own revelations he published on this subject. You see, Mormons want their cake and eat it too but they refuse to account for the 700 years of Egyptian history that occurred prior to the time when Egyptus (Greek word) was alleged to have settled her son into the land and crowning him king over the first government of Egypt.

The Mormons are lying and covering a lie because of their pride. Dishonesty/lying and Mormonism go hand in hand.

If you're a Mormon then you're a liar; otherwise, denounce the Book of Abraham, now!

[I Have Questions]

Dan can speak for himself but I think he explained it here.

The problem seems to be that Vogel does not directly engage with the significance of Shinehah as a genuine Egyptian word for the sun recognized by Egyptologists.

Regards,
MG

Which non Mormon egyptologists have attested that Shinehah is a genuine ancient Egyptian word for the sun? And can you quote them please?

I’m fairly sure Shulem produced a very comprehensive piece of work on Shinehah in the Celestial forum, which you may want to seek out.

[Shulem]

The problem seems to be that Vogel does not directly engage with the significance of Shinehah as a genuine Egyptian word for the sun recognized by Egyptologists.

Regards,
MG

Which non Mormon egyptologists have attested that Shinehah is a genuine ancient Egyptian word for the sun? And can you quote them please?

• Only Mormon Egyptologists claim Shinehah "is the sun." (Abraham 3:13)
• Only Mormon Egyptologists claim "the first government of Egypt was established by Pharaoh, the eldest son of Egyptus, the daughter of Ham." (Abr 1:25)
• Only Mormon Egyptologists claim that "King Pharaoh, whose name is given in the characters above his head" is a legitimate way to represent a king's name. ("A FACSIMILE FROM THE BOOK OF ABRAHAM")