healing/recovery through venting?

[_Polygamy Porter]

Get a grip Wade.

I am not venting. I am pointing out the ever-shifting gospel of the Mormon cult.

We have already been down this path with you before Wade. Twice. We already know what the outcome will be, you leaving and us staying.

Sorry, but you are not the TBM to discuss Mormonism with. While you may be defending it, while you are not kicking the bogot dead horse again, You have not fully followed their counsel/commandments, therefore, in my opinion you are not a true defender of the faith. The irony here is most of us exmormons followed the rules better than you did.

Ever attended an scAmway presentation? They practice what they preach.

[_wenglund]

Runtu,

Do you consider this kind of venting by PP and SB to be therapeutic or corrosive?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

What venting are they doing? What I see is that, unlike me, they're getting a little angry at your attempt to tar us as bigots. That's not venting, Wade.

Both PP and sB considered it as venting. Why don't you take their word for it?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

They do? I would have thought they were attacking the veracity of the church. Does that involve venting?

And I quote (note the bolded words below):

Some of Ray A.'s astute comments on another thread motivated me to devote a thread specifically to the question whether or not venting, particularly unstructured "venting" like what occurs at RFM, is an effective means of recovery/healing.

Could someone who thinks you can heal/recover from venting, please explain the alleged therapeutic dynamic?

I am interested to see if this same alleged therapeutic dynamic works with anti-Semites when they "vent" against Jews.

Thanks, -Wade

God damnit Wade, speaking of venting, will you please go get a girl and get some action? I am sure the membership of Shady Acres would spring for one of Salt Lakes finest... Or at least relieve yourself! The tension is written all over your posts!

So then, lemme see if I read this right... I, Poly G. Porter am like unto a anti-Semite?

Good f'ckin night you are crapping me, no?

I love the people who are trapped by the cult which I loathe. Is that simple enough for you?

My motto is carry a big stick and stir every pot. Keeps the stink level HIGH.

Has it been therapeutic to get in the ring, or litter box with the pious cats of the Fboard and ZLMB? Hell yes.

Hey on a personal note, on a different thread from you, I read that you are in your 50's? Hey, Sister Sherri Dew is in her 50's also... why not? She might be pretty hot in the sack.. from being celibate for her entire life... NOT.

That is my goal as well to keep on stirring the pot until it boils over and no one can hide from the stink..

Once in a cult it is so hard to break free and let everyone know that the cult is always watching and could care less about you if you are not in the CULT....

I'm with you PP we will keepon stirring and venting and we will do it here...

So I ask again: "Do you consider this kind of venting by PP and SB to be therapeutic or corrosive? "

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_Runtu]

Considering that PP himself has said he is not venting, I'll take his word for it. I think we have a definitional problem here. What exactly is venting? You refuse to take people at their word that their "venting" has therapeutic value, but then you insist that when one person uses the word to define their approach, we stick with it.

So, if we want to have a productive discussion, please answer some questions:

1. How do you define venting? What are its characteristics?

2. If we accept your definition, is such venting an example of bigotry?

[_Jersey Girl]

Of course venting is helpful to healing. Why on earth wouldn't it be?

Jersey Girl

[_OUT OF MY MISERY]

Of course venting is helpful to healing. Why on earth wouldn't it be?

Jersey Girl

Thank you

Jersey Girl

Venting=========Healing=====Venting======Healing


Yes they do go together

[_wenglund]

Considering that PP himself has said he is not venting, I'll take his word for it. I think we have a definitional problem here. What exactly is venting? You refuse to take people at their word that their "venting" has therapeutic value, but then you insist that when one person uses the word to define their approach, we stick with it.

First of all, PP has evidently contradicted himself. Secondly, my question was regarding both PP and SB. Third, I didn't "refuse to take people at their word that their "venting" has therapeutic value. I simply asked YOU and others whether YOU thought is was a valid indicator in the case of anti-Semites. And, fourth, I am not insisting "that when one person uses the word to define their approach, we stick with it." If we are going to have a productive conversation, you will need to stop putting words in my mouth, and engage what I have actually said.

So I ask again: "Do you consider this kind of venting by PP and SB to be therapeutic or corrosive? "

So, if we want to have a productive discussion, please answer some questions:

1. How do you define venting? What are its characteristics?

2. If we accept your definition, is such venting an example of bigotry?

You are yet again mistaken. It is not my definition. It isn't even my choice of words. When I have asked people in the past to explain the "recovery" aspect of RFM, THEY have told me it was "venting". So, I have taken them at their word. And, if you look at the thread that gave rise to this thread, and if you look through the various posts from participants at RFM on this thread, THEY have been using that term. Again, I have taken them at their word. Unlike you, I am not trying to split definitional hairs. I am simply trying to understand and test the validity of THEIR claim that "venting" results in "recovery". If you want to know what they mean by "venting", then feel free to asak them. For my part, I will just assume that the typical post at RFM is, to their way of thinking, "venting".

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_wenglund]

Of course venting is helpful to healing. Why on earth wouldn't it be?

Jersey Girl

Let's take a specific example and see what you think:

Mr. X has become increasingly aggitated by his wife's incessant nagging and complaining and unhappiness, to the point that his anger is ready to explode. His wife comes in and starts railing on him about some menial task that he had yet to accomplish from the rather lengthy list of honey-do's. That was enough to trigger his anger, and he vented on her with a flury of invectives, foul language, and extremely derrogatory and demeaning remarks, that hurt and wounded her deeply. For days on end, and for weeks and months to follow, he kept up this flury of invectives.

Would you say that in that case: "of course venting is helpful to healing"?

Thanks, -Wade Englund-

[_OUT OF MY MISERY]

Well since the Mormons are constantly nagging me to rejoin their CULT???

I am venting I will vent a lot tee hee

[_Mary]

Hi Wade,

I don't know that the venting from PP or Vegas or others on RFM, is hurting the church or any one in it (from your comparison with regard to the angry husband and his hurt wife). RFM wouldn't have put me off the LDS church for instance, and I am sure that I am not the only one.

I do think at some point we just have to forgive and move on. Some people don't forgive easily, perhaps justifiably so. The forgiveness goes both ways though. (TBM's and those who have left)

(Just for the record I also see a lot of adults 'still' angry at their parents, often justifiably so, again. Maybe the relationship with the church, is similar to the relationship with the parent, there's a whole lot of trust issues there perhaps. Again at some point we probably should forgive our parents for any percieved or real injustices in our growing years when their influence was strongest. Sometimes it's easier said than done)

Just my opinion.

[_OUT OF MY MISERY]

Forgiving and forgetting are two very different things

One can forgive.....one cannot forget the pain and hurt that their so called family caused!!!!

So yes I forgiven....but I can never forget