Everybody's welcome?

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:00 pm

GIMR wrote:[That's it! Get it all out!

Is that all you have to say? Stuck for words? You don't get it, do you? Keep insulting Mormons, and I will keep insulting you. Stop scapegoating Mormons for your loss of faith in Mormonism. Take some bleeding responsibility for your own decisions, and stop the race baiting. You have gone too far in the other direction. I am not unsympathetic to race issues, but when a person baits a religion like this I say enough is enough.

Post by **_The Nehor** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:02 pm

GIMR wrote:Okay...there are a few (and I do mean a few) people here who intentionally set out to annoy and harass TBMs here. But most people here are not like that.

That I agree with. Most are respectful and not abrasive. However that doesn't make it a perfectly kind environment. I admit that there are times I've left these boards annoyed and I suspect most posters on both sides have. I just wish there was a solution. Stricter moderating might trim some of it but I doubt it would be worth it.

To be fair these boards are more civil than one I happened on to the other day where they debated the relative merits of the PS3 and the X-Box 360. You would think religion would be more controversial and lead to greater strife in such a forum. Made me think of this YouTube video :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgfpJWUYgbg&NR=1

Here's hoping for a better board.

Post by **_Sam Harris** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:06 pm

Ray A wrote:
GIMR wrote:[That's it! Get it all out!

Is that all you have to say? Stuck for words? You don't get it, do you? Keep insulting Mormons, and I will keep insulting you. Stop scapegoating Mormons for your loss of faith in Mormonism. Take some bleeding responsibility for your own decisions, and stop the race baiting. You have gone too far in the other direction. I am not unsympathetic to race issues, but when a person baits a religion like this I say enough is enough.

Oh my dear, I am not insulted by you. I know you would like me to be, but the only thing I am is struck by how unhappy you are. You project that onto others, telling them how hateful they are, and how prejudiced, how scared, and how crazy, but you're the only one suffering.

WTF are you talking about with the race baiting? Please don't go all Cog on me. You two are quite funny, if I say the word "black", you swear up and down that I'm trying to start a Chicago riot.

Ray, on a serious note....something is eating away inside of you. It cannot be solved by religion, it cannot be solved by people telling you what a good person you are, not even someone as prestigious as the person whose name has come up so often in this thread. YOU have to find out the truth of your own worth for yourself, and your actions on this board prove that you have not. No one trusts your credibility here, because you have thrown such vitriol both at Mormonism and at those who are no longer members, and in both instances with such force.

Me, despite my...I wouldn't even call them burdens, health, money...I am a happy person. I am loved, first and foremost by who I percieve to be my God, and secondly by myself. From that radiates my true friends and my family. I need nothing else. I left the church when I learned to love myself, because the church could not give me what I needed.

NOW DO YOURSELF A FAVOR AND KEEP READING

That doesn't mean that every Mormon should follow me. I know of many happy Mormons, and some are friends of mine. I have never tried to convince my LDS friends to leave the church. Why shatter their lives and their families? All I have asked is that they respect my decision. They have, and in that they are better than the likes of you.

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:07 pm

GIMR wrote:What credibility? Care to elaborate? What is this? More of the "pure, white, and delightsome"?

You obviously have not read the Book of Mormon properly.

Post by **_Sam Harris** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:12 pm

Ray A wrote:
GIMR wrote:What credibility? Care to elaborate? What is this? More of the "pure, white, and delightsome"?

You obviously have not read the Book of Mormon properly.

The Bible speaks of garments becoming white when cleansed from sin. The Book of Mormon speaks of skin becoming white. If you spent more time reading critically instead of trying to insult those who refused to tell you nice things you should already know about youself, you'd know this.

Post by **_Sam Harris** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:18 pm

The Nehor wrote:
GIMR wrote:Okay...there are a few (and I do mean a few) people here who intentionally set out to annoy and harass TBMs here. But most people here are not like that.

That I agree with. Most are respectful and not abrasive. However that doesn't make it a perfectly kind environment. I admit that there are times I've left these boards annoyed and I suspect most posters on both sides have. I just wish there was a solution. Stricter moderating might trim some of it but I doubt it would be worth it.

To be fair these boards are more civil than one I happened on to the other day where they debated the relative merits of the PS3 and the X-Box 360. You would think religion would be more controversial and lead to greater strife in such a forum. Made me think of this YouTube video :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NgfpJWUYgbg&NR=1

Here's hoping for a better board.

Oh gosh, you're a fan!

I can't believe I missed this, Ray's too entertaining.

I love weird Al...

I wanted to do a Mormon Paradise rap for the Gong show years ago, and if the ward I was part of ever has one again, I might write one for a friend, it'd be hilarious...they're just goofy enough to pull it off. One year they had some sort of cowboy ballet, it was so sick...

Here's my version

"Look at this situation they got me facin'
I can't live a worldly life,
I was reborn in Christ
So I gotta be down with the Priesthood
Dreams of excommunication got me being good
I'm an educated fool with God on my mind
Got my quad in my hand and a gleam in my eye
I'm a pressed white shirt with slacks wearin fella
And my loafers iz buffed so don't arouse my anger, foo!
Death ain't nothin but a heartbeat away
I'm living for exhaltation, what can I say?
I'm 23 now but will I marry before I'm 24?
The way things is going, I dunno...."

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:19 pm

GIMR wrote:..I am a happy person.

Ya coulda fooled me. If you are happy I've never seen so much hate directed at a religion than I have from you.

GIMR wrote:I am loved, first and foremost by who I percieve to be my God, and secondly by myself.

Er, you "love" Mormons, do you? And who is "my God". The God you "perceive to be"?

GIMR wrote:From that radiates my true friends and my family. I need nothing else. I left the church when I learned to love myself, because the church could not give me what I needed.

"Me." "What I needed." It's all about "me, me, me, me" what "I need".

GIMR wrote:I have never tried to convince my LDS friends to leave the church. Why shatter their lives and their families? All I have asked is that they respect my decision. They have, and in that they are better than the likes of you.

And do they know of the bitter anti-Mormon VILE you post here? You want them to respect your "right" to slander a religion?

I'll bet you blow sunshine up their ass about how innocent and pure you are, and "respect" the rights of others to believe as they wish.

Post by **_Sam Harris** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:21 pm

Ray...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:24 pm

You're on a misguided mission "GIMR". "God is my refuge"??????????????

And you incessantly attack Mormonism?

To undo your association: YOUR "God" is not my "refuge".

_Ray A · Post by **_Ray A** » Sat Jul 07, 2007 11:24 pm

GIMR wrote:Ray...

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection

Yawn.