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[MG 2.0]

I've seen enough, heard enough, and learned enough to see that the CorJCofLDS stands out among world religions as being most likely to be the vehicle by which God has restored lost truths and God given authority, and given additional truth and light which provides the path to salvation/exaltation in the Kingdom of God.

I've not seen anything else that even approaches the 'completeness' of what I see/experience in the doctrines and theology in the LDS Church. And I've not seen anyone here over the years offer up a viable alternative that I think covers all the bases.

Uh-huh ... As an alternative, there is the point of view of that ExMo poster on this board who used to have this in his sig line:

"I'll let you into a little secret: Mormonism is not only not true, its obviously not true."

That's what you would think, right?

Regards,
MG

[Marcus]

stands out among world religions as being most likely to be the vehicle by which God has restored lost truths and God given authority, and given additional truth and light which provides the path to salvation/exaltation in the Kingdom of God.

You're so duped that you can't even create a believable backstory to present as your unbiased search for the truth. Lost truths, lost authority, and exaltation are ideas pretty much unique to Mormonism. Nobody provides a competing answer to find lost truths and authority and to provide for exaltation, because nobody believes that truths and authority are lost, or that people can and should be exalted, or that exaltation is even a coherent idea. It's like declaring I've studied all the worlds religions and I'm going with Scientology, because they are the most likely vehicle to achieve an Operating Thetan level of eight.

Cultists have a really difficult time escaping the circularity of their thoughts, even when they are desperately trying to make it look like they are being objective. You can't even bring yourself to say that you like the idea of exaltation as compared with other ideas about the afterlife, you just assume exaltation is the target everyone is aiming for but fails to deliver on.

In missing your point, the one you quoted completely made your point. What was to be shown was shown.

[MG 2.0]

You're so duped that you can't even create a believable backstory to present as your unbiased search for the truth. Lost truths, lost authority, and exaltation are ideas pretty much unique to Mormonism. Nobody provides a competing answer to find lost truths and authority and to provide for exaltation, because nobody believes that truths and authority are lost, or that people can and should be exalted, or that exaltation is even a coherent idea. It's like declaring I've studied all the worlds religions and I'm going with Scientology, because they are the most likely vehicle to achieve an Operating Thetan level of eight.

Cultists have a really difficult time escaping the circularity of their thoughts, even when they are desperately trying to make it look like they are being objective. You can't even bring yourself to say that you like the idea of exaltation as compared with other ideas about the afterlife, you just assume exaltation is the target everyone is aiming for but fails to deliver on.

In missing your point, the one you quoted completely made your point. What was to be shown was shown.

I didn't miss his point. But I think his point was not warranted.

He said what he said, but what was shown was not demonstrated to be true.

We can 'show' or demonstrate anything we want...doesn't make it true in all cases. I don't like being lumped in with a certain 'class' or category based upon the skewed judgement of a non believer who has their own biases and reasons for why they do/think what they do/think.

You are just as likely to be mistaken on wrong on a number of things as anyone else. Does that make you a dupe?

It's unfair. I can just as easily call you a dupe. But I've learned that it doesn't really contribute to anything to do that. I hope I'm doing better. I was disappointed to see gadianton stoop that direction and to then see you follow.

Regards,
MG

[Gadianton]

The world is full of variety. One wouldn't expect Mormonism to be the "target everyone is aiming for".

But this is exactly what you expect. See yourself here:

I've seen enough, heard enough, and learned enough to see that the CorJCofLDS stands out among world religions as being most likely to be the vehicle by which God has restored lost truths and God given authority, and given additional truth and light which provides the path to salvation/exaltation in the Kingdom of God.

Allow me to interpret:

I've seen enough, heard enough, and learned enough to see that the CorJCofLDS stands out among world religions as being most likely to be the vehicle by which God has performed a list of accomplishments that only Mormons believe God has accomplished.

[MG 2.0]

The world is full of variety. One wouldn't expect Mormonism to be the "target everyone is aiming for".

But this is exactly what you expect. See yourself here:

I've seen enough, heard enough, and learned enough to see that the CorJCofLDS stands out among world religions as being most likely to be the vehicle by which God has restored lost truths and God given authority, and given additional truth and light which provides the path to salvation/exaltation in the Kingdom of God.

Allow me to interpret:

I've seen enough, heard enough, and learned enough to see that the CorJCofLDS stands out among world religions as being most likely to be the vehicle by which God has performed a list of accomplishments that only Mormons believe God has accomplished.

The second statement doesn't conflict with the first. In the CofJCofLDS the phrase "strait is the gate, and narrow is the way" refers to the path of discipleship and obedience, contrasted with the broader, more lenient ways of the world. This concept is found in both the New Testament (Matthew 7:14) and the Book of Mormon (2 Nephi 31:17-20).

Of course members of the church that have converted to the Gospel of Jesus Christ are the only ones that believe that "God has accomplished" this work. Otherwise, there would be a lot more Mormons.

I'm surprised, after what I've said previously, that you would think that I would "expect" everyone to believe in and be baptized into the LDS Church.

Regards,
MG

[Moksha]

Of course members of the church that have converted to the Gospel of Jesus Christ are the only ones that believe that "God has accomplished" this work. Otherwise, there would be a lot more Mormons.

Regards,
MG

Would extra special belief genes help those struggling to know the truth?

[MG 2.0]

Of course members of the church that have converted to the Gospel of Jesus Christ are the only ones that believe that "God has accomplished" this work. Otherwise, there would be a lot more Mormons.

Regards,
MG

Would extra special belief genes help those struggling to know the truth?

That's actually a good question. When some folks say that the have a 'believing heart' I've wondered what that might mean. You bring up an interesting dilemma in that some folks, not a few, don't have that "belief gene" readily at hand or accessible. They are naturally (with the full meaning/understanding and context of that word) skeptical.

That can't help but change the way these folks approach or don't approach God.

Regards,
MG

[Gadianton]

I'm surprised, after what I've said previously, that you would think that I would "expect" everyone to believe in and be baptized into the LDS Church.

That's obviously not what I meant.

I'm referring to your cultish circularity. Declaring that you've not found good answers to uniquely Mormon questions outside of Mormonism. A person could be Mormon yet still invent a backstory that even if not totally believable, shows the ability to conceive of the world outside of Mormon terminology.

For instance, instead of saying that Mormonism provides the best vehicle to exaltation, which is circular since only Mormons believe in exaltation, you could say that you studied the concept of salvation from five other perspectives, explain those perspectives, and then explain why you think the unique Mormon idea of exaltation makes the most sense.

The fact that you can't describe a situation in hypothetical terms without the assumption that Mormonism is the only true church thoroughly baked in, is the mark of a mind imprisoned by a cult.

[Moksha]

The fact that you can't describe a situation in hypothetical terms without the assumption that Mormonism is the only true church thoroughly baked in, is the mark of a mind imprisoned by a cult.

So far, he has only suggested that snake handling is true, not that we should all be handling snakes. He is the one paying for that privilege, so should we not let him enjoy it?

Without the deadly cobra, Snake Handlers are wonderful people.

[Everybody Wang Chung]

*Bump for MG*

Of course I am much more familiar with the teachings and doctrines of the LDS Church. Duh, I was BIC. How could I not be?

That being said, I've been around long enough and been curious enough to spend a fair amount of time looking at other world religions and philosophies. Am I an expert on any one of them? Of course not. And neither are you, I would suspect.

I've seen enough, heard enough, and learned enough to see that the CorJCofLDS stands out among world religions as being most likely to be the vehicle by which God has restored lost truths and God given authority, and given additional truth and light which provides the path to salvation/exaltation in the Kingdom of God.

I've not seen anything else that even approaches the 'completeness' of what I see/experience in the doctrines and theology in the LDS Church. And I've not seen anyone here over the years offer up a viable alternative that I think covers all the bases.

MG,

What other religions (out of thousands) were also subjected to a rigorous, thorough and "lengthy investigation process over a long period of time" by you?