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tagriffy wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:48 pm
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:42 pm
It’s not meant as an ad hominem. Thousands…tens of thousands of people write books for a living.

I’m simply curious if Vogel has a day job or if he, like other authors, lives off the proceeds of his books. Simple question, simple answer.

His books appeal to a particular audience. If he’s making a sizable amount from writing to that audience he is most probably going to be known for taking a certain position. Otherwise his books wouldn’t sell.

Simple supply and demand.

Clancy writes books for a certain audience. Grisham the same. They make money, they keep writing books.

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You're still insinuating Vogel's arguments are made because that's how he makes money. You're not dealing with his arguments at all, and that is why it's ad hominem.
I’m saying that he is going to write books that appeal to a certain audience. That will impact what he chooses to write about vs. what he chooses not to write about. He will show prejudice and preference towards certain lines of investigation vs. others.

You won’t see him writing an apologetic like Hales or Rasmussen for example. They both have day jobs. At the end of the day he will always be ‘the critic’. I’m simply saying that money is a motivating factor.

His books don’t come cheap.

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:04 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:00 am
I was quite explicit in saying “chicken and the egg”. You have to have it spelled out for you?

It’s interesting to me that you fail to comprehend a simple analogy.

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MG
So, you have a chicken and an egg and you feel "there is more than likely a chicken somewhere?"

Good heavens, MG. Never stop with your analogies. They are freaking awesome.
You have nothing of any value to add. May I suggest you butt out Bishop?

Or maybe, if not, put up one of your juvenile memes? We haven’t had many, if any, of those in this thread. That’s always fun.

You are derailing. Trolling.

I think it’s a pretty freaking awesome analogy. 🙂

To each his own.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:09 pm
Physics Guy wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 8:43 pm
Did Smith ever say there was?
I don’t know the answer except to say that the visits of Moroni parallel the time span in which Joseph regaled his family with stories of the ancient inhabitants of America. If so, it would make sense that he would share ‘scripture stories’ with them.

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Mg, you wrote this about Hales' essay:
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:23 am
Brian Hale’s essay points out that pre 1830 there is very little evidence that Joseph had the ability to write a book as complex as the Book of Mormon....
Hales' article includes some very specific arguments, including the one the PG was alluding to in his question. Your response confuses me, since you have been promoting Hales' essay as evidence, but your statement appears to specifically refute one of his main points. Did you read the Hales paper you are recommending?
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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:46 pm
So, your analogy perfectly fits both you and Mormonism. Good job, MG.
Not sure that it fits Mormonism, per se. . . but I think it does fit the topic at hand.

Mr. Chung, the day that I would actually take anything you have to say seriously is the day I would hope to realize I need to have my head examined.

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:10 am
I think it’s a pretty freaking awesome analogy. 🙂

To each his own.
I love your “analogies” too. :lol:
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Marcus wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:19 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 10:09 pm
I don’t know the answer except to say that the visits of Moroni parallel the time span in which Joseph regaled his family with stories of the ancient inhabitants of America. If so, it would make sense that he would share ‘scripture stories’ with them.

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MG
Mg, you wrote this about Hales' essay:
MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 12:23 am
Brian Hale’s essay points out that pre 1830 there is very little evidence that Joseph had the ability to write a book as complex as the Book of Mormon....
Hales' article includes some very specific arguments, including the one the PG was alluding to in his question.
Would you kindly point out when and where Hales or I contradict the above statement that Joseph would have been very unlikely to have been the sole author of the Book of Mormon?

Bullet points would help.

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Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:25 am
MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:10 am
I think it’s a pretty freaking awesome analogy. 🙂

To each his own.
I love your “analogies” too. :lol:
Thanks!

No meme?

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Re: If plates then God

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:57 pm
If the Book of Mormon shows the indications of having not been written by Joseph Smith we are left with VERY few possibilities. One of them being that it is what it purports to be. An ancient history and book of scripture written on plates and delivered by an angel who was the custodian and keeper of the plates.

Joseph not writing the Book of Mormon from his own mind=visionary experience with angel=plates containing an actual history of ancient peoples living somewhere in the New World.


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There are no indications the Book of Mormon wasn't written by Joseph. The fact there is not one shred of credible physical evidence the Book of Mormon peoples existed leaves us with only one viable possibility--Joseph wrote it.
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Re: If plates then God

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:06 am
tagriffy wrote:
Tue Oct 17, 2023 11:48 pm
You're still insinuating Vogel's arguments are made because that's how he makes money. You're not dealing with his arguments at all, and that is why it's ad hominem.
I’m saying that he is going to write books that appeal to a certain audience. That will impact what he chooses to write about vs. what he chooses not to write about. He will show prejudice and preference towards certain lines of investigation vs. others.

You won’t see him writing an apologetic like Hales or Rasmussen for example. They both have day jobs. At the end of the day he will always be ‘the critic’. I’m simply saying that money is a motivating factor.

His books don’t come cheap.

Regards,
MG
It still says nothing about the arguments, and therefore still contitutes an ad hominem.
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Re: If plates then God

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MG 2.0 wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:27 am
Everybody Wang Chung wrote:
Wed Oct 18, 2023 12:25 am
I love your “analogies” too. :lol:
Thanks!

No meme?

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MG
No substance? :lol:
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