Secular folks should worry.

[Morley]

The values being taught may be somewhat skewed to one side vs. another.

That's why they're called values.

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Because the professor argues in favor of teaching values in higher Ed.

OK.

Nonetheless, as I pointed out earlier we do have this:

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/20 ... ty-members

The values being taught may be somewhat skewed to one side vs. another. What’s unfortunate is that teachers are encouraged/forced? To follow the dictates of administration.

That closes down certain discussions/lectures/views.

Regards,
MG

Like teaching that Giants roamed the Moon, and Aliens had sex with angels to create protohumans. It’s all gotta be discussed seriously, lest academia fall into the hands of the insouciant.

[Kishkumen]

Because the professor argues in favor of teaching values in higher Ed.

OK.

Nonetheless, as I pointed out earlier we do have this:

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/20 ... ty-members

The values being taught may be somewhat skewed to one side vs. another. What’s unfortunate is that teachers are encouraged/forced? To follow the dictates of administration.

That closes down certain discussions/lectures/views.

Regards,
MG

It’s just a recommendation. You can assume I have a bad motive, but maybe I am being sincere and supposing you might find this interesting.

[honorentheos]

The example of allowing debate over the global flood being taught in schools while acknowledging there needs to be a line drawn somewhere just not between religious myth and scientifically defensible secular criteria pretty much sums things up as to why this is heading for 90 pages now.

Clearly aliens didn't build the pyramids but this book of semitic mythology that claimed a 600 year old built a boat that allowed every species of land animal to survive a global flood deserves a hearing...why? Because you'd all be living in mud huts stabbing one another with sticks over morally relative causes if it wasn't for Christianity. What? China was the historically dominant culture globally for most of history if you don't demand we view the world through a western historical lense? and it's relatively minor decline over the last four hundred years or so they seem to be climbing out of now has nothing to do with Christianity? Fake news...

[MG 2.0]

I believe that everyone should have their voice heard somewhere and somehow rather than simply being ‘cut off’ from participation in society.

Who gets to make these decisions?

You?

Who are you going to make listen to everyone's voice? Stand up on an airplane and begin spewing your beliefs and see what happens very quickly. You'll be constrained by the flight crew if you do not shut up. That's because the corollary to free speech is the right of others to not have to listen to any speaker. Because the audience on an airplane would be captive (no where to go to avoid having to hear you), you do not have a right to speak under such circumstances). That's great--but also your choice--to listen to everyone, if that's what you want to spend your time doing.

No issue with anything here.

Who is 'cutting off' whom? Ron DeSantis cutting off DisneyWorld for expressing its disagreement with DeSantis' 'don't say gay' law?

The law that would allow/require highly inappropriate sexual content curricula for 1st through 3rd grade. It would be a non starter for a majority of parents.

But parents weren’t in the loop to the best of my knowledge.

DeSantis is using the power of the Florida state government to stifle DisneyWorld's right to express its views…

They expressed their views, but there was a consequence. I’m surprised that Disney, once a family friendly company would push inappropriate sexual content on 6,7, and 8 year old kids. Not much older than babies/toddlers.

…just like Joseph Smith was using the power of the Nauvoo city government to stifle the Nauvoo Expositor's right of free press.

Not just like. Not near.

Such misuse of governmental power is unconstitutional.

Disney was allowed their free speech rights. There was a consequence. You’re saying that the state of Florida cannot regulate educational curriculum?

Actions have consequences. This all happened at about the same time that Disney creative artists were recorded on hidden camera discussing bringing more LGBTQ content into children’s entertainment. With intent. Walt would turn over in his grave. My guess is he would support DeSantis and the state of Florida in their actions. That wouldn’t have been necessary though. Walt would NEVER condone the types of curricula being pushed by the left onto young children.

Especially without the permission of their parents.

You choosing not to listen to someone you do not think is worth your time--or as you would put it, 'canceling' them--is fine, in fact it is your right to do so. You are not by refusing to listen stifling the speaker's rights.

The problem has been that people ‘drown out’ in one way or another the free speech rights of those that ‘have the floor’. They are literally shouted down.

That isn’t right.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

OK.

Nonetheless, as I pointed out earlier we do have this:

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/20 ... ty-members

The values being taught may be somewhat skewed to one side vs. another. What’s unfortunate is that teachers are encouraged/forced? To follow the dictates of administration.

That closes down certain discussions/lectures/views.

Regards,
MG

Like teaching that Giants roamed the Moon, and Aliens had sex with angels to create protohumans. It’s all gotta be discussed seriously, lest academia fall into the hands of the insouciant.

I think your examples are ridiculous. And you know they are. These aren’t the kind of curriculum items that are being pushed by administration at colleges and universities.

Think of it. Two thirds (if I remember correctly) of college/university administrators consider themselves to be somewhere on the left/liberal spectrum. And they control the ‘product’ being pushed out of the schools. We have the same thing occurring now in the secondary schools.

And of course now you have parents in Florida and other states that are now having to fight for their rights to teach their own YOUNG children about the birds and the bees without having teachers throw alternate lifestyle crap right in their little children’s faces.

Crazy town. And you support it. Yecch.

Regards,
MG

[MG 2.0]

OK.

Nonetheless, as I pointed out earlier we do have this:

https://www.insidehighered.com/views/20 ... ty-members

The values being taught may be somewhat skewed to one side vs. another. What’s unfortunate is that teachers are encouraged/forced? To follow the dictates of administration.

That closes down certain discussions/lectures/views.

Regards,
MG

It’s just a recommendation. You can assume I have a bad motive, but maybe I am being sincere and supposing you might find this interesting.

Actually I’m not assigning motive. I am asking why I ought to fork out ten bucks for a Kindle version of the book and get pumped up about reading it.

Ya’ need to sell it, man!

Regards,
MG

[Doctor CamNC4Me]

Like teaching that Giants roamed the Moon, and Aliens had sex with angels to create protohumans. It’s all gotta be discussed seriously, lest academia fall into the hands of the insouciant.

I think your examples are ridiculous. And you know they are. These aren’t the kind of curriculum items that are being pushed by administration at colleges and universities.

Think of it. Two thirds (if I remember correctly) of college/university administrators consider themselves to be somewhere on the left/liberal spectrum. And they control the ‘product’ being pushed out of the schools. We have the same thing occurring now in the secondary schools.

And of course now you have parents in Florida and other states that are now having to fight for their rights to teach their own YOUNG children about the birds and the bees without having teachers throw alternate lifestyle crap right in their little children’s faces.

Crazy town. And you support it. Yecch.

Regards,
MG

Global Flood.

[MG 2.0]

The example of allowing debate over the global flood being taught in schools while acknowledging there needs to be a line drawn somewhere just not between religious myth and scientifically defensible secular criteria pretty much sums things up as to why this is heading for 90 pages now.

I went back and listened to the video clip. To have a discussion on the topic of catastrophism as a theory in earth’s development/creation seems to be legit. Comparing different theories is useful and even important for a well rounded education. Looking at the slide on the YouTube clip shows catastrophism as being in the curriculum guide.

Before making hasty judgements we ought to have access to more of the conversation than a thirty second or so clip.

But here we/you are, doing just that. At least I think so…

This habit of making hasty judgments could be multiplied by the thousands, me thinks.

Did you watch the whole video of the discussion? If so, could you link to it?

Clearly aliens didn't build the pyramids but this book of semitic mythology that claimed a 600 year old built a boat that allowed every species of land animal to survive a global flood deserves a hearing...why?

Would you mind linking to the book you’re referring to and also link to where that particular book is being discussed for entry into Utah State Curriculum? Time stamp and link to full video presentation. Thanks.

Regards,
MG

[honorentheos]

I’m surprised that Disney, once a family friendly company would push inappropriate sexual content on 6,7, and 8 year old kids.

Yet not surprised enough to question if the rightwing propoganda machine you take your news from may be presenting the issue in a false and biases manner I guess.