Congratulations DCP

[_Ray A]

H-y-p-o-c-r-I-t-e

You sound like an awfully bitter person. Kevin - you are a first rate ASSHOLE. I am sick of your s*** DICKHEAD.

[_Ray A]

H-y-p-o-c-r-I-t-e

Do you know when ENOUGH is ENOUGH?

Just F*** OFF!

[_Ray A]

H-y-p-o-c-r-I-t-e

Dan has been the object of your hate for TOO LONG.

Do you get it, s***h***? I have tried to be patient with you, but you have crossed the borders.

YOU, s***h***, are nothing but a BITTER anti-Mormon. I have had enough of your crap.

[Tator]

Ladies and Gentlemen,

I give you RAY A, defender of the faith!*

With defenders like this, who needs enemies?



*Ray identifies himself as a defender of the faith, although to be more precise, it's mainly criticisms of DCP and other high name apologists that trigger his most ardent defenses. So perhaps it would be more accurate to call him Defenders of the Defenders of the faith.

[_richardMdBorn]

H-y-p-o-c-r-I-t-e

You sound like an awfully bitter person. Kevin - you are a first rate ASSHOLE. I am sick of your s*** DICKHEAD.

One thing's sure. Becoming an LDS again has improved Ray A's vocabulary. Perhaps he could explain to ex LDS and never LDS the LDS interpretation of I Cor 13.

Richard

[_beastie]

My participation in that thread was minimal. I tried to limit myself to posing questions to move it along a bit. I can't say that I followed FAIR or now follow MAD all that much, but I honestly think that was the best debate I've ever seen there and mainly because it was allowed to take place without interference. The maneuvers were great, the information was useful, and it really WAS a debate. That, in my view, happens all too infrequently on these boards.

I skimmed all four threads (some I read more carefully than others) and I agree that it was a great debate. (I don't have adequate background knowledge to judge the accuracy of the content overall.) It was remarkable in that the mods did not intervene to scold anyone until the moment they arrived to ban Kevin. And yes, the seeming moment DCP discussed Kevin's identity, he was shortly banned. Given the fact that the banning was the direct result of Kevin's Islamic commentary, and that DCP was his main opponent in those commentaries and made his feelings about Kevin plain, and given the moderators open policy of managing the board in a way that encourages high profile apologists to continue participating, I think it's reasonable to assume DCP's comments precipitated the moderators' actions. And of course it wasn't necessary for DCP to directly make the request.

[_Mister Scratch]

Can't resist braving the queue here---

I find it extremely interesting that juliann and others consistently refuse to give examples of FARMS work that has been well-received by non-Mormon peers, or has been peer reviewed in any recognizable or significant way. Basically, what tends to happen is that FARMS supporters will discredit the system itself, or claim that it's unfair, ideologically driven, etc. Rather than simply admitting the truth---which is that FARMS work does not receive peer review in the traditional and conventional sense---supporters opt for a smear campaign against the system.

(Juliann replied, by the way.)

Scratch can you clarify for me: Were you banned for queue jumping?

No, I wasn't. As the above quote indicates, I was on the queue when I posted that. (That may have been my final post, actually.) Shortly afterwards, DCP swooped in to deliver a totally off-topic post, claiming that I had called him a "douche bag" on RfM. (The thread was about FARMS and peer review. Why DCP felt this accusation would be contributing to the discussion at hand is anybody's guess. Could it be that he was engaging in smear tactics? No, he never does that!) Anyhow, I protested to the mods that he had made this false accusation. Meanwhile, I had posted an inquiry on RfM about some rumors I'd heard regarding the MTC. DCP was evidently surfing RfM, because he got this post and dragged it over to FAIR, apparently thinking that this was the "conclusive evidence" which would damn me. (I believe the logic went like this: "Scratch posted this question about sexual horseplay at the MTC, so he *must* have posted the 'douche bag' comment!" Exemplary reasoning, no?)

As has already been noted, both DCP and the FAIRmods just assumed I was lying, despite my protests, and booted me. I did not get any opportunity to defend myself, and essentially had to just sit there muzzled while Scott Lloyd and others had a mini-celebration over DCP's smearing. (by the way: via email, DCP apologized to me for making the false accusation, but then he quickly reneged. He spent much of the email exchange claiming that he did not have any sway with the mods whatsoever, only to flip-flop in the end, saying that he planned to get me "reinstated", but was now "disinclined." It was just a taunt, in other words.)

[_Daniel Peterson]

I never apologized for making a false accusation against Scratch.

I apologized if it was in fact false, but said that I believed it to be true.

I never promised to get Scratch reinstated.

I said that, if I were to be convinced that Scratch had been falsely accused, I would write to the moderators encouraging them to reinstate him.

Shortly thereafter, certain newly apparent facts made me even more confident than before that the accusation against Scratch was true -- the evidence is circumstantial but, in my opinion, quite strong; a series of very unlikely things would have to be true for it to be false -- so I never wrote to the moderators to encourage them to reinstate him.

I've always said that I might be wrong about this. But I'm very confident that I'm not.

[_dartagnan]

You sound like an awfully bitter person. Kevin - you are a first rate ASSHOLE. I am sick of your s*** DICKHEAD.

Yea, I'm definately the "bitter" person on this thread!

I forgive you Ray. I understand you have some kind of personality disorder, and that given a month or two you'll be back to normal again supporting my comments instead of attacking me.

[_bcspace]

One thing's sure. Becoming an LDS again has improved Ray A's vocabulary. Perhaps he could explain to ex LDS and never LDS the LDS interpretation of I Cor 13.

Well, if you believe Jesus has charity then perhaps you can explain why Jesus used the same term 'hypocrite' (and other colorful metaphors such as 'whited wall') against those who opposed him.