As man is, God once was. As God is, man may become.

[_Jason Bourne]

Milk before meat (or pearls before swine) is the only possibility.

Or that he did not want to talk about it because he was embarrassed by it, thought it made the Church look odd and strange. And he did it more than once. Face it, he was at best disingenuous about it. If he did not want to go into detail he could have said yes these are some of the more intricate and difficult teachings of the LDS Church. I would prefer not to explore them in a brief interview. But instead he hedged. Then he said in conference not to worry, he knew the doctrine and he was misquoted, but he wasn't.

[Guest]

Please.....do not use silly arguments.

Well, it wasn't exactly an "argument" at all. Just a request for information. I'm not LDS.

ETA: I only bring it up because some Mormons have argued that it may have meant that God was a man in the same way as Jesus was a man. I don't think the context suggests that at all, but I thought that if there was anything that said God was a "sinful man" specifically, it would definitely disprove that idea.

[_Jason Bourne]

Hey I wonder. TSM does not and has not given interviews like GBH did. Maybe the topic of this thread is one of the reasons why. TSM almost seems like he is hiding from the gentile press!

[_stemelbow]

Hey I wonder. TSM does not and has not given interviews like GBH did. Maybe the topic of this thread is one of the reasons why. TSM almost seems like he is hiding from the gentile press!

Yep...its a bout time to start speculating on that huh?

[_sock puppet]

Hey I wonder. TSM does not and has not given interviews like GBH did. Maybe the topic of this thread is one of the reasons why. TSM almost seems like he is hiding from the gentile press!

So many widows to visit, cookies to munch on, no time for media interviews.

[_AtticusFinch]

Please.....do not use silly arguments.

Well, it wasn't exactly an "argument" at all. Just a request for information. I'm not LDS.

ETA: I only bring it up because some Mormons have argued that it may have meant that God was a man in the same way as Jesus was a man. I don't think the context suggests that at all, but I thought that if there was anything that said God was a "sinful man" specifically, it would definitely disprove that idea.

then my apologies.

I have heard that particular LDS argument, but it holds no water. It does not specify that "man" was like Jesus. It says "Man". When "man" is discussed in ANY context, it does not refer to deity or any specific person, but, rather, mankind.

[_Nightlion]

Mormons taught God was once a sinful man...

Did they say "sinful" specifically? I haven't seen that.

Forget Lorenzo Snows little couplet. All that Joseph Smith said was that God the Father once lived on an earth the same as Jesus Christ did.

Jesus Christ is the Very Eternal Father says the Book of Mormon and was always God without beginning of days or end of years. As the Jews like to say God is self-existent.

Our Heavenly Father put in his time as a Christ in a previous generation of the Heavens. There are only three Beings who tread in the same track as Joseph Smith said. They take turns and there is no such thing as man ever gaining the same status or entering in upon the eternal round that God continues upon. Christ was perfect and without sin as was his Father when he was a mortal man doing the work of a Christ. But he descended from Godhood to become that mortal.

Mormons are so stupid never learning their own scripture.

[_Dad of a Mormon]

I have heard that particular LDS argument, but it holds no water. It does not specify that "man" was like Jesus. It says "Man". When "man" is discussed in ANY context, it does not refer to deity or any specific person, but, rather, mankind.

In the KF discourse, JSJr did refer to Jesus in particular:

From the King Follett discourse:

In order to understand the subject of the dead for the consolation of those who mourn for the loss of their friends, it is necessary they should understand the character and being of God; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. [That he was not is an idea] incomprehensible to some. But it is the simple and first principle of the gospel-to know for a certainty the character of God, that we may converse with him as one man with another. God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did, and I will show it from the Bible.

[_Jason Bourne]

In the KF discourse, JSJr did refer to Jesus in particular:

From the King Follett discourse:

In order to understand the subject of the dead for the consolation of those who mourn for the loss of their friends, it is necessary they should understand the character and being of God; for I am going to tell you how God came to be God. We have imagined that God was God from all eternity. [That he was not is an idea] incomprehensible to some. But it is the simple and first principle of the gospel-to know for a certainty the character of God, that we may converse with him as one man with another. God himself, the Father of us all, dwelt on an earth the same as Jesus Christ himself did, and I will show it from the Bible.

Joseph Smith also went on to say something along the lines of what did Jesus do? The same things he say the Father do. In other words in some vision Jesus saw the Father be a savior of another world. I always figured that when we said God as a man is was a man like Jesus not an ordinary dude.

On the other hand, LDS doctrine does allow for measly men like us to be gods, to we should not get uptight about the Father being a man like us.

[_Nightlion]

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On the other hand, LDS doctrine does allow for measly men like us to be gods, to we should not get uptight about the Father being a man like us.

Frontier Fantasy LDS Doctrine perhaps because they were Gentiles who sought after all things great for themselves. But you cannot justify the notion of ordinary dudes becoming like God the Father. They have never looked into all the points that touch upon exaltation to round it off and make a whole truth of it.