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How does the church count exmembers and inactives?
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 5:32 am
by _Bond...James Bond
I have a few questions.
How are members who officially resign counted by the church?
Do children of resigned parents get counted, or do they go down as resigned too?
If a 20 year old was to join and go inactive within the year, how long will that member be counted?
Bond
Re: How does the church count exmembers and inactives?
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 12:11 pm
by _OUT OF MY MISERY
Bond...James Bond wrote:I have a few questions.
How are members who officially resign counted by the church?
Do children of resigned parents get counted, or do they go down as resigned too?
If a 20 year old was to join and go inactive within the year, how long will that member be counted?
Bond
Those are some very good questins and you will get not get a concrete answer....but if you do...I owe you one
I think they are counted for ever and ever,,,,
Re: How does the church count exmembers and inactives?
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 2:36 pm
by _Mercury
Bond...James Bond wrote:I have a few questions.
How are members who officially resign counted by the church?
Do children of resigned parents get counted, or do they go down as resigned too?
If a 20 year old was to join and go inactive within the year, how long will that member be counted?
Bond
They count them as part of the membership. In reality the active member percentages I encountered were running around 30-40 percent. 1/5 of those were semi active.
Re: How does the church count exmembers and inactives?
Posted: Tue Dec 12, 2006 9:06 pm
by _Ray A
Bond...James Bond wrote:
Do children of resigned parents get counted, or do they go down as resigned too?
No. They remain on the records.
If a 20 year old was to join and go inactive within the year, how long will that member be counted?
Always, unless they ask for name removal.
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 12:50 am
by _Dr. Shades
Ray A is right.
They keep counting name-removed people in their totals as though nothing had happened.
They keep their "lost contact" members on the books until they'd be 110.
In fact, they don't always remove the Mormons who die.
To make matters worse, they sometimes add "ghost members" to the total with a keystroke or two to make the numbers look better.
If you don't believe me, see
this site.
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:06 am
by _Bond...James Bond
Dr. Shades wrote:Ray A is right.
They keep counting name-removed people in their totals as though nothing had happened.
They keep their "lost contact" members on the books until they'd be 110.
In fact, they don't always remove the Mormons who die.
To make matters worse, they sometimes add "ghost members" to the total with a keystroke or two to make the numbers look better.
If you don't believe me, see
this site.
Doc Shades,
You seem to have a lot of data. What's your best guess on the number of "real" members since 12 million seems to be too high?
Bond
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:06 am
by _Jason Bourne
Ray A is right.
They keep counting name-removed people in their totals as though nothing had happened.
Member who have their name removed are not counted, nor are excommunicated members. Children of members who asked to have their name removed are counted unless the parent has the child's name reviewed.
They keep their "lost contact" members on the books until they'd be 110.
This is correct.
In fact, they don't always remove the Mormons who die.
Yes they do, if they know about it.
To make matters worse, they sometimes add "ghost members" to the total with a keystroke or two to make the numbers look better.
No they do not.
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:20 am
by _Dr. Shades
Bond...James Bond wrote:You seem to have a lot of data. What's your best guess on the number of "real" members since 12 million seems to be too high?
I have no idea and couldn't even begin to speculate.
Jason Bourne wrote:To make matters worse, they sometimes add "ghost members" to the total with a keystroke or two to make the numbers look better.
No they do not.
Jason, did you even bother to click on the link I provided and read it?
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:23 am
by _Jason Bourne
Dr. Shades wrote:Bond...James Bond wrote:You seem to have a lot of data. What's your best guess on the number of "real" members since 12 million seems to be too high?
I have no idea and couldn't even begin to speculate.
Jason Bourne wrote:To make matters worse, they sometimes add "ghost members" to the total with a keystroke or two to make the numbers look better.
No they do not.
Jason, did you even bother to click on the link I provided and read it?
Yes I looked it over. Lot's of "fuzzy math." Heheheheeeheeheheh!
Posted: Wed Dec 13, 2006 1:26 am
by _Dr. Shades
Huh? There wasn't any "fuzzy" math there at all. It was all simple addition and subtraction only.