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Book of Revelation, what is it???

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 12:40 pm
by _Roger Morrison
Pasted below is a paragraph from John Selby Spong's latest news letter. The article expresses his concern for "world happenings" as they are influenced by USA politics and Christian theology. This paragraph deals mostly with "The Book of Revelation" and those who plan the future by it. I think it most deserving of thoughtful consideration:
As this drama was unfolding prior to Christmas, Anderson Cooper of CNN was hosting a series of telecasts on the subject, "What is a Christian?" Evangelical clergy were interviewed who believed that the Book of Revelation both predicted and justified the war in the Middle East. They read this late 1st century book as their guide to contemporary history. They also stated that the Bible was quite clear in its condemnation of homosexuality. These were men, well dressed, apparently well educated, not confined to a mental hospital, being interviewed on national television by a mainstream network. Viewers were presumably accepting these comments as rational, even worthy of serious attention. There was something about these two scenes: President Bush talking about the war and these preachers talking about the Bible that seemed to be eerily reminiscent of each other. Both cited their authority in such a way as to imply that it was not capable of being challenged. The President followed his own intuition, informed by his interpretation of God's will. These clergy followed their own intuitions, informed by their interpretation of the Bible as an expression of God's will. Perhaps 500 years ago these attitudes would not have seemed strange, but in a post-Freudian world, people do not dismiss the inability to make different decisions on the basis of new data as "stubbornness," they recognize it as delusional. In a world where critical biblical scholarship is more than 200 years old, no rational person would treat a book written between 1000 BCE and 135 CE by a wide variety of individuals as if it contained the secrets of the end of the world, a blueprint for the human disaster that is called the Iraq War and no one, except a mad man, would accept the idea that this ancient book, devoid of the medical and scientific data developed in the past hundred years, actually prescribed divine rejection of homosexuality.


Important as it is to see "homosexuality" with new understanding, i forgot to mention it at the beginning. So now we have an expanded topic... Your thoughts please... Warm regards, Roger

Posted: Thu Dec 28, 2006 11:05 pm
by _ozemc
I believe that the Book Of Revelation was written by John in code because it refered to events happening then, not some future date, and he would have been immediately executed had he written in in plain language.

There is a great article at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... white.html

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 12:50 am
by _Roger Morrison
ozemc wrote:I believe that the Book Of Revelation was written by John in code because it refered to events happening then, not some future date, and he would have been immediately executed had he written in in plain language.

There is a great article at http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline ... white.html

Thanks oz. an interesting article. Shoots holes in most Establishment Churches' interpretations. LDS included, which according to the author stem from Schofield's writings. Why not? Anything but, "...streets of gold, et-al..."

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 5:06 am
by _Jersey Girl
The Book of Revelation is a warning.

Jersey Girl

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 9:45 am
by _Roger Morrison
Jersey Girl wrote:The Book of Revelation is a warning.

Jersey Girl

Hi Jersey Girl, of what???

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:02 pm
by _ozemc
Roger Morrison wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:The Book of Revelation is a warning.

Jersey Girl

Hi Jersey Girl, of what???


I concur ... of what?

Maybe not to eat THOSE mushrooms?!

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:28 pm
by _Jersey Girl
Roger Morrison wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:The Book of Revelation is a warning.

Jersey Girl

Hi Jersey Girl, of what???


A warning to early Christians of impending persecution.

Jersey Girl

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:34 pm
by _ozemc
Jersey Girl wrote:
Roger Morrison wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:The Book of Revelation is a warning.

Jersey Girl

Hi Jersey Girl, of what???


A warning to early Christians of impending persecution.

Jersey Girl


I couldn't agree more!

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:38 pm
by _Jersey Girl
ozemc wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:
Roger Morrison wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:The Book of Revelation is a warning.

Jersey Girl

Hi Jersey Girl, of what???


A warning to early Christians of impending persecution.

Jersey Girl


I couldn't agree more!


Well, what does the text say? Here's the introduction:

Rev.1
[1] The Revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave unto him, to shew unto his servants things which must shortly come to pass; and he sent and signified it by his angel unto his servant John:
[2] Who bare record of the word of God, and of the testimony of Jesus Christ, and of all things that he saw.
[3] Blessed is he that readeth, and they that hear the words of this prophecy, and keep those things which are written therein: for the time is at hand.
[4] John to the seven churches which are in Asia: Grace be unto you, and peace, from him which is, and which was, and which is to come; and from the seven Spirits which are before his throne;
[5] And from Jesus Christ, who is the faithful witness, and the first begotten of the dead, and the prince of the kings of the earth. Unto him that loved us, and washed us from our sins in his own blood,
[6] And hath made us kings and priests unto God and his Father; to him be glory and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.
[7] Behold, he cometh with clouds; and every eye shall see him, and they also which pierced him: and all kindreds of the earth shall wail because of him. Even so, Amen.
[8] I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.
[9] I John, who also am your brother, and companion in tribulation, and in the kingdom and patience of Jesus Christ, was in the isle that is called Patmos, for the word of God, and for the testimony of Jesus Christ.

John says what it is in his introduction. There are many who consider that it is both a near and far prophecy. The imagery used is difficult for us to understand because it was written in metaphorical code.

Jersey Girl

Posted: Fri Dec 29, 2006 10:54 pm
by _truth dancer
Hi Roger...

I'm with Oz on this one.

I actually saw the PBS special on Revelations and it concurred with other works I have read regarding Revelations.

Revelations has absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with some doomsday prophecy to be fulfilled in our day. It was written for its time.

~dancer~