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Has the editor of the church rag even heard of FARMS?

From a Feb 2007 Ensign article:

“Did Joseph Smith reinvent the temple by putting all the fragments—Jewish, Orthodox, Masonic, Gnostic, Hindu, Egyptian, and so forth—together again?

Notice how they attempt to obfuscate the heavy masonic influence by throwing in five other words? Plain and simple, Smith ripped off the Masonic ceremonies and used them for his temple ceremony.

You will ONLY find such vague opinions from LDS Inc. All outside investigations and research all point to a strong if not complete Masonic connection.

This article, published by LDS Inc themselves, does not align at all with what their own scholarly research team at BYU has printed nearly EIGHT YEARS AGO... HELLO?
The Ensign facade continues:

No, that is not how it is done. Very few of the fragments were available in his day, and the job of putting them together was begun, as we have seen, only in the latter half of the nineteenth century. Even when they are available, those poor fragments do not come together of themselves to make a whole; to this day the scholars who collect them do not know what to make of them.

Oh reaahhhhillly?
Horsepuckie! Cow Dung! According to their very own LDS Scholars at BYU, the masons were JEALOUS of old Joe and his superior knowledge:

Joseph, the Prophet, was aware that there were some things about Masonry which had come down from the beginning and he desired to know what they were, hence the lodge.

The Masons admitted some keys of knowledge appertaining to Masonry were lost.

Joseph inquired of the Lord concerning the matter and He revealed to the Prophet true Masonry, as we have it in our temples.

Owing to the superior knowledge Joseph received, the Masons became jealous and cut off the Mormon lodge.

Check out the concluding circular logic in the remainder of the Ensign obfuscation from above:

The temple is not to be derived from them, but the other way around. … That anything of such fulness, consistency, ingenuity, and perfection could have been brought forth at a single time and place—overnight, as it were—is quite adequate proof of a special dispensation.”

That circular logic is soooo typical of sheeple speak. Lets see which stray sheep wanders up here first to attempt to cover up this pile of sheep crap....

Keeee rrrrrrrrr rrrrrr rrrrrrrr eeeeeyyyyyyyy!

Coooo ggggggg ggggg yyyyyyy

Gaaaa gaaaaasss laaaa laaaaa laaaaammmmbbb!

ROFL! "We didn't steal it from them, they stole it from us!" i mean WTF!?!

Read this gem in that same article:

“Let me suggest that the reason why temple building and temple worship have been found in every age, on every hand, and among every people, is because the gospel in its fullness was revealed to Adam, and that all religions and religious practices are therefore derived from the remnants of the truth given to Adam and transmitted by him to the patriarchs. The ordinances of the temple in so far as then necessary, were given, no doubt, in those early days, and, very naturally, corruptions of them have been handed down the ages. Those who understand the eternal nature of the gospel—planned before the foundations of the earth—understand clearly why all history seems to revolve about the building and use of temples.”

So can one of the resident members of the Garment patrol please 'splain that?

If the "fullness of the gospel was revealed to Adam", they what was Christ doing? Restoring it? Then Joe, restoring it AGAIN?

i guess the idea of being a TBM is to hear a bunch of things, get a "warm fuzzy" from it, and then not connect any of it in any logical sense.

Two points:

• The quoted portion of the Ensign article is from a FARMS publication (The Collected Works of Hugh Nibley, vol. 4, Mormonism and Early Christianity, ed. Todd M. Compton and Stephen D. Ricks [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book; Provo, UT: FARMS, 1987], 366-67).
  
• The quote attributed to "LDS scholars at BYU" is actually from nineteenth-century LDS apostle Franklin D. Richards.

Nevo wrote:Two points:

• The quoted portion of the Ensign article is from a FARMS publication (The Collected Works of Hugh Nibley, vol. 4, Mormonism and Early Christianity, ed. Todd M. Compton and Stephen D. Ricks [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book; Provo, UT: FARMS, 1987], 366-67).
  
• The quote attributed to "LDS scholars at BYU" is actually from nineteenth-century LDS apostle Franklin D. Richards.

So we have some misattribution going on, and a 20 year old soupcon of Nibley for breakfast. Is that one of the things Nibley changed later?

(Hi, Nevo. Welcome to the board. :-) )

Nevo wrote:Two points:

• The quoted portion of the Ensign article is from a FARMS publication (The Collected Works of Hugh Nibley, vol. 4, Mormonism and Early Christianity, ed. Todd M. Compton and Stephen D. Ricks [Salt Lake City: Deseret Book; Provo, UT: FARMS, 1987], 366-67).
  
• The quote attributed to "LDS scholars at BYU" is actually from nineteenth-century LDS apostle Franklin D. Richards.

Nevo,

I remember you from years ago on 2think where you were one of it's most respected posters. Nevo is here. All is right in my world. Welcome, Nevo, welcome!

Jersey Girl

From the same article:

"That anything of such fulness, consistency, ingenuity, and perfection could have been brought forth at a single time and place—overnight, as it were—is quite adequate proof of a special dispensation.”

Nevo is an extremely bright, knowledgeable and nice LDS. Be kind to him! We need folks like him on this MB.

Richard

Polygamy Porter wrote:Read this gem in that same article:

“Let me suggest that the reason why temple building and temple worship have been found in every age, on every hand, and among every people, is because the gospel in its fullness was revealed to Adam, and that all religions and religious practices are therefore derived from the remnants of the truth given to Adam and transmitted by him to the patriarchs. The ordinances of the temple in so far as then necessary, were given, no doubt, in those early days, and, very naturally, corruptions of them have been handed down the ages. Those who understand the eternal nature of the gospel—planned before the foundations of the earth—understand clearly why all history seems to revolve about the building and use of temples.”

So can one of the resident members of the Garment patrol please 'splain that?

If the "fullness of the gospel was revealed to Adam", they what was Christ doing? Restoring it? Then Joe, restoring it AGAIN?

The idea is there have been successive apostasies and restorations through out various dispensations. This is pretty basis LDS stuff. I am surprised you asked about it.