Funerals to be used primarily as preaching opportunities.

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_Mephitus
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Funerals to be used primarily as preaching opportunities.

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Funerals could and should be the most spiritually impressive. They are becoming informal family reunions in front of ward members. Often the Spirit is repulsed by humorous experiences or jokes when the time could be devoted to teaching the things of the Spirit, even the sacred things.

When the family insists that several family members speak in a funeral, we hear about the deceased instead of about the Atonement, the Resurrection, and the comforting promises revealed in the scriptures. Now it's all right's all right to have a family member speak at a funeral, but if they do, their remarks should be in keeping with the spirit of the meeting.

I have told my Brethren in that day when my funeral is held, if any of them who speak talk about me, I will raise up and correct them. The gospel is to be preached. I know of no meeting where the congregation is in a better state of readiness to receive revelation and inspiration from a speaker than they are at a funeral. This privilege is being taken away from us because we don't understand the order of things--the unwritten order of things--that relates to the administration of the Church and the reception of the Spirit.

The full speach may be found at http://www.zionsbest.com/unwritten.html Aptly called "the unwritten order of things"

So basicly, when someone we love dies and we are grieving over the loss of that person and in a state of loss. You are to reach out to people when they are at their lowest to suck them inside the church rather than remember the persons life and possibly gain closure to what might have been a long ordeal. (in the case of a long suffering death)

I guess this just ties in to get people when they are at their most receptable to any kind of help rather than doing the honest and ethical thing to allow a person in full mental capacity to consider whats going on.
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Hi Sono, you say:
So basicly, when someone we love dies and we are grieving over the loss of that person and in a state of loss. You are to reach out to people when they are at their lowest to suck them inside the church rather than remember the persons life and possibly gain closure to what might have been a long ordeal. (in the case of a long suffering death)

I guess this just ties in to get people when they are at their most receptable to any kind of help rather than doing the honest and ethical thing to allow a person in full mental capacity to consider whats going on.


It also reveals the religiously rigid and frigid institution LDSism has devolved to. The more public such statements become the more nails are driven into their box. A box that does appeal to some; so they have it.

OTOH, thinking-feeling folks find such insensitivity and exploitation repugnant. And act accordingly. Reading your ref i see BKP siteing Paul. Is that the same Paul who said women were to be silent and obey their husbands?

LDSism will have more credibility in 2007 by referring to more updated and reliable sources that have individuals and human relationships with a "God" that comforts in mind, rather than being opportunistic and crass.

But, that's what they are... Warm regards, Roger
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Sono_hito wrote:
Funerals could and should be the most spiritually impressive. They are becoming informal family reunions in front of ward members. Often the Spirit is repulsed by humorous experiences or jokes when the time could be devoted to teaching the things of the Spirit, even the sacred things.

When the family insists that several family members speak in a funeral, we hear about the deceased instead of about the Atonement, the Resurrection, and the comforting promises revealed in the scriptures. Now it's all right's all right to have a family member speak at a funeral, but if they do, their remarks should be in keeping with the spirit of the meeting.

I have told my Brethren in that day when my funeral is held, if any of them who speak talk about me, I will raise up and correct them. The gospel is to be preached. I know of no meeting where the congregation is in a better state of readiness to receive revelation and inspiration from a speaker than they are at a funeral. This privilege is being taken away from us because we don't understand the order of things--the unwritten order of things--that relates to the administration of the Church and the reception of the Spirit.

The full speach may be found at http://www.zionsbest.com/unwritten.html Aptly called "the unwritten order of things"

So basicly, when someone we love dies and we are grieving over the loss of that person and in a state of loss. You are to reach out to people when they are at their lowest to suck them inside the church rather than remember the persons life and possibly gain closure to what might have been a long ordeal. (in the case of a long suffering death)

I guess this just ties in to get people when they are at their most receptable to any kind of help rather than doing the honest and ethical thing to allow a person in full mental capacity to consider whats going on.


Those guys didn't rise to the top of Mormonism by being dumb. This plan of Boyd's is a genius marketing strategy. Funerals in ward buildings are one of the few times that a large number of non-members are emotionally vulnerable and available in the chapel to hear the Mormon sales pitch. Boyd does not want this golden opportunity squandered. Imagine if you're trying to sell Amway to a group of financially distressed friends, but instead of listening to your get rich quick plan they're goofing off and having a good time. Very few will end up joining Amway. It's the same with funerals. Stay focused on the sale, don't get distracted on silly things like reminiscing on the dead person's life.
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Basically LDS Inc owns your ass from the time you submit to handing over your dignity to the leaders of the cult.

Even in death, they use your body as a cattle prod.
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My wife, and her family, was in the ward he went to while in Boston(I think that's the city). They had good experiences with him, and received some good advice.

Sadly I read his talks and find nothing spiritual in them. .
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Sono_hito wrote:
Funerals could and should be the most spiritually impressive. They are becoming informal family reunions in front of ward members. Often the Spirit is repulsed by humorous experiences or jokes when the time could be devoted to teaching the things of the Spirit, even the sacred things.

When the family insists that several family members speak in a funeral, we hear about the deceased instead of about the Atonement, the Resurrection, and the comforting promises revealed in the scriptures. Now it's all right's all right to have a family member speak at a funeral, but if they do, their remarks should be in keeping with the spirit of the meeting.

I have told my Brethren in that day when my funeral is held, if any of them who speak talk about me, I will raise up and correct them. The gospel is to be preached. I know of no meeting where the congregation is in a better state of readiness to receive revelation and inspiration from a speaker than they are at a funeral. This privilege is being taken away from us because we don't understand the order of things--the unwritten order of things--that relates to the administration of the Church and the reception of the Spirit.

The full speach may be found at http://www.zionsbest.com/unwritten.html Aptly called "the unwritten order of things"

So basicly, when someone we love dies and we are grieving over the loss of that person and in a state of loss. You are to reach out to people when they are at their lowest to suck them inside the church rather than remember the persons life and possibly gain closure to what might have been a long ordeal. (in the case of a long suffering death)

I guess this just ties in to get people when they are at their most receptable to any kind of help rather than doing the honest and ethical thing to allow a person in full mental capacity to consider whats going on.


In my experience most people, when plannig funerals, routinely ignore Elder Packer's remarks. I think a balance is good. Talk about the loved one, eulogize and offer gospel messaged that buring comfort.
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Jason Bourne wrote:In my experience most people, when plannig funerals, routinely ignore Elder Packer's remarks. I think a balance is good. Talk about the loved one, eulogize and offer gospel messaged that buring comfort.


What alternate universe do you live in? Is it possible to quantum leap over to your perception of Mormonism or do you just change your perception to fit the most comfortable context?
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What alternate universe do you live in?


My universe and my experiences. I have been to many LDS funerals and even planned them. I am sure I have much more extensive experience then you in this regards.

Is it possible to quantum leap over to your perception of Mormonism or do you just change your perception to fit the most comfortable context?


Given the fact that you are irrational about all things LDS you are in a poor position to correct me in anyway. I summarized my experiences. Do you have any that differ? How many LDS funerals have you attneded, planned or conducted? Unless you have real life experience with this rather then your rage then what you say means zippo.
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Jason Bourne wrote:In my experience most people, when plannig funerals, routinely ignore Elder Packer's remarks. I think a balance is good. Talk about the loved one, eulogize and offer gospel messaged that buring comfort.


I agree. That's been my experience, as well. Of course, what does it say about Packer's remarks when the best response is "Oh, well, most people ignore it"?
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Jason Bourne wrote:
What alternate universe do you live in?


My universe and my experiences. I have been to many LDS funerals and even planned them. I am sure I have much more extensive experience then you in this regards.

Is it possible to quantum leap over to your perception of Mormonism or do you just change your perception to fit the most comfortable context?


Given the fact that you are irrational about all things LDS you are in a poor position to correct me in anyway. I summarized my experiences. Do you have any that differ? How many LDS funerals have you attneded, planned or conducted? Unless you have real life experience with this rather then your rage then what you say means zippo.


Yes, i forgot that my anger precludes me from speaking rationally. I guess those holocaust deniers speak the truth as well.

I've been to 17-20 LDS funerals. They all were opportunities for the stalwart mo's to preach to the wavering family members and framed the ceremony in typical LDS fashion, relegating the persons life acomplishments to Mormon acomplishments, etc. Ind eath they are not remembered as a person but a cog in the Mormon machine.

Jason, you (probably unconsciously) change your perception of events in order to fit your argument.
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