THE POSSIBILITY THAT BRIGHAM YOUNG WAS CORRECT

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THE POSSIBILITY THAT BRIGHAM YOUNG WAS CORRECT

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I would like to open a discussion that has been very difficult even for LDS to believe.
In the 26 books named "Brigham Young's Journal of Discourses" on page 50 Brigham Young states; "Adam is our Father and our God, and the ONLY God with which we have to do." It is also written just ten lines under that statement this question and answer that was stated by Brigham Young also: the question was: "And who is God?" the answer to his own query says; "He is the first of the human family."
Not many LDS believe that Adam was God, in fact, I have never met one except for myself who believes that Brigham Young was a very inspired prophet of God. To answer such a bold statement let me first quote a verse out of the book of Moses 1: 33
And worlds without number have I created; and I also created them for mine of purpose; and by the Son I created them, which is mine Only Begotton.
34. And the first man of all men have I called Adam, which is many.

God created many Adams because he created many worlds and the same plan is in effect on every earth.
Ecclesiastes 1: 9 The thing that is now is that which hath been. And that which is done is that which shall be done; and there is no new thing under the sun.

Man has always existed in one form or the other. In the beginning all people were one of the spirit entities known as "Intelligence." Intelligence apparently had no other power than that of mind. If they would have had one power besides that of mind they would long ago have learned to live in harmony with all living things. God Himself was also an entity we have come to call Intelligence. We call them Intelligence because they knew everything there was to know so far as logical information is concerned. It is written that Intelligence was not made or created or procreated and there is no space in which there is no Intelligence.
Now this is how I personally see it if you would care to ask God if what I perceive is true or my own form of thinking.
One of these Intelligence in the quadrillions of quadrillions of millennia that they had existed devised an instrument by the shear power of mind. And with the use of that instument he was the first Intelligence to break the awesome silence of the world of Intelligence by vocalizing one single word. This next verse, IN MY OPINION, informs us as to what that word was.
St. John 1: 1 In the beginning was the WORD, the WORD was with God the WORD was GOD.
I personally believe that is the correct interpretation of that verse, but that's just me.
However, with the power of speech added to a being who already knew everything there was to know so far as logical information was concerned, HE now had the power to command.
He commanded molecules, atoms, and everything else that was necessary to create a biological computer, MAN. He then inhabited that computer and then utilized HIS own DNA to fasion a help meat or a woman to allow them from that time forth to procreate man after their own kind.
That Adam was the only Adam that was ever created from the elements or dust of the earth. All other Adams and all other people are simply procreations of the original Adam whom Brigham Young said was GOD.
Brigham Young said, "The Adam of this world was not created from the elements of the earth but was brought here to this earth with a celestial body."
Of course again in my opinion the first earth ended in choas. Everyone who lived on the first earth was grieved over the fact that they had cause others to be hurt or themselves to be hurt. You'll notice that I didn't say they sinned. They couldn't have had any laws, rules or regulations until after the council in heaven at the conclusion of the first earth. This all means that we all have the blood of God flowing in us, and that is why we call God, "Our Father Which Art in Heaven."
That is just one little tidbit of information that the Holy Spirit has given to me and I am forced to believe it. But you don't have to believe me at all. If the Holy Spirit does not tell you that what I have written here is true, then you are not supposed to believe it. That's simple enough isn't it?
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Post by _Bond...James Bond »

I'd like to see you answer some of the questions raised on your other threads. That's the normal way of doing things on message boards (particularly if you started the threads).
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I'm with you if you are suggesting God/humans/EVERYTHING came from the zero point energy field/quantum vacuum/realm of nothingness/energy which came out of the fireball.... beyond that, and with all due respect, I think your story sounds rather nonsensical. No offense intended.

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I'm having a hard time understanding your post. Could you tell me who you think the WORD was?

That would help me get started.

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truth dancer wrote:I'm with you if you are suggesting God/humans/EVERYTHING came from the zero point energy field/quantum vacuum/realm of nothingness/energy which came out of the fireball.... beyond that, and with all due respect, I think your story sounds rather nonsensical. No offense intended.

:-)

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I really can't say. But ever since science has found that atmosphere has weight, we have been on the rise in understanding a great many things to be true.
I look upon the spirit entity Intelligence as air or electricity which stores information and passes it on from one Intelligence to another. You can't see air or electricity and for all we know the entity Intelligence might just be all around us. But I can't just say I believe in God or that I believe that God was once one of the spirit entities known as Intelligence. I know it to be a fact. Anyone could know the same thing as a fact if they were to ask God if it was true. I will say at this site that I believe this or that when actually many of the things I speak of is a fact to me and to God.
I never found any truth for myself, but the Holy Spirit has taught me, I believe, more than any man has the right to know. I only pray that we all begin to rely on all truth from the Holy Spirit and don't let any minister, preacher, apostle, Prophet, or evangelist, cause you to go astray by you simply not believing that the Holy Spirit can and will teach us.
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Jersey Girl wrote:I'm having a hard time understanding your post. Could you tell me who you think the WORD was?

That would help me get started.

Jersey Girl

I have to appologize to you too; I am very poor at communication skills. The spirit entity who first broke the awesome sillence by uttered the word "GOD" was the entity that came to be GOD. The other people who lived on the first earth gave the first Adam of the first world, or the first of the human family, the name GOD because that name was the very beginning of life and power as we know it today. Can you imagine living in a state of absolute silence, never hearing, speaking, touching, or any of the powers that are common to us today.
The word is GOD and it was that one word God that was the beginning of life for everyone. The work of God can never end since there is no end to Intelligence and no space in which there is no Intelligence.
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grampa75 wrote:
Jersey Girl wrote:I'm having a hard time understanding your post. Could you tell me who you think the WORD was?

That would help me get started.

Jersey Girl

I have to appologize to you too; I am very poor at communication skills. The spirit entity who first broke the awesome sillence by uttered the word "GOD" was the entity that came to be GOD. The other people who lived on the first earth gave the first Adam of the first world, or the first of the human family, the name GOD because that name was the very beginning of life and power as we know it today. Can you imagine living in a state of absolute silence, never hearing, speaking, touching, or any of the powers that are common to us today.
The word is GOD and it was that one word God that was the beginning of life for everyone. The work of God can never end since there is no end to Intelligence and no space in which there is no Intelligence.
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I don't think you are poor at communication skills, I think you are talking about things that are foreign to me. In a moment or two (maybe 10!) I'm going to post the first chapter of the Gospel according to John and highlight certain places to share with you how I read that chapter.

I'll be back!

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Post by _Jersey Girl »

grampa75,

I changed my mind. Instead of telling you how I read the 1st chapter of John, I'm going to do an experiment. I'm going to see if I can get an atheist friend to tell me who they think the Word is in John. I hope having someone who hasn't been "indocrtinated" to a particular religion read the chapter and answer the question will give us an objective interpretation. Well...we'll see! I'll be back when I've been able to accomplish that!

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Hey grampa75! I got someone already willing to conduct the experiment! Please stand by!
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Post by _skippy the dead »

Grampa75 - One small request. When you post, would you mind putting a space between paragraphs? I am having a difficult time working my way through your posts without the typical whitespace. And I am interested in what you are writing, so I'd like to be able to read it without everything blurring together.

Thanks muchly!

(see how much more readable a post can be with whitespace?)
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