What would it take for you to leave Mormonism?

[_Mercury]

I often reflect upon what helped me normalize my worldview and leave the incorrect worldview of Mormonism behind. I can cite books by Sagan mostly as the catalyst that led me into rational thought, but honestly the change was along time coming before that.

I'm currently 27 and the church left me when I was 25. Upon entering school the need for a rational outlook was made imperative. In particular Mike Norton and Shades were instrumental along with RFM, in regards to an outlet for the overwhelming anger I felt at the time. The anger is still there but its focused and honed.

Above all else I see my willingness to sit down and read the "other side" of the debate coming from the two year wake up call that was beaten into me during my mission. Slogging 12 hours a day knocking on doors in Minnesota just to be constantly told that I was in a cult both hinders and strengthens ones willingness to hold onto a false worldview. Pouring over FARMS documents and SHIELDS articles left me with an empty feeling inside. After reading the documents and discussing the matter with former seminary teachers of mine I knew it was all a lie. I just needed to make the leap into rational thought and act upon what I had learned.

Life it seemed changed the day I threw my garments away. Even after I made it known to my wife that I was not going back to church I kept them for some stupd reason. The day I dumped the laundry bag full of poorly made (yet expensive) white garments into the garbage was one of the happiest days of my life. It felt like I had sheared off shackles. Literally.

But hands down, the willingness to ditch the kooky worldview of Mormonism hinged on acting upon what I had learned. The more I relearned about episodes in church history the more I could get out of it. it was as if I could see the actual history of the church, not the vanilla faith-promoting ludicrous nature of the candy coated accounts. I could see the early church members as real people, not the cardboard cutouts portrayed by official church history that had been sanitized.

So to the believers I ask you what it would take for you to leave the church. What fact made evident would it take for you to ditch your faith? What fact would make your world change?

[_asbestosman]

So to the believers I ask you what it would take for you to leave the church. What fact made evident would it take for you to ditch your faith? What fact would make your world change?

Logic would have to play a major role. I do not trust history. I believe it was Henry Ford who said that history is bunk and I agree. Of course part of my agreement stems from the fact that I was never very good at history and tended to find it really boring (history is to me what math is to many others).

[_Who Knows]

So to the believers I ask you what it would take for you to leave the church. What fact made evident would it take for you to ditch your faith? What fact would make your world change?

Logic would have to play a major role...

What do you mean?

[_asbestosman]

Logic would have to play a major role...

What do you mean?

Because nothing else seems to hold much sway on me. People can easily talk my head off with history and the like. I'll never follow or understand. But if someone could sit down and perform something like a mathematical proof, it will be much more persuasive to me.

Also, I'm not much of one for being persuaded by rhetoric, accusations of racism, or emotional arguments. Do it like people do math or forget it.

[_Lucretia MacEvil]

Logic would have to play a major role...

What do you mean?

Because nothing else seems to hold much sway on me. People can easily talk my head off with history and the like. I'll never follow or understand. But if someone could sit down and perform something like a mathematical proof, it will be much more persuasive to me.

Also, I'm not much of one for being persuaded by rhetoric, accusations of racism, or emotional arguments. Do it like people do math or forget it.

I have no clue how to do it like math, that was my worst subject, but how about approaching it another way? Give one good logical reason to believe in the church. I can't think of one.

[_Bond...James Bond]

I have no clue how to do it like math, that was my worst subject, but how about approaching it another way? Give one good logical reason to believe in the church. I can't think of one.

I'm with Lucretia on this issue. Instead of asking "what would make you leave the Church" the question should be "why do you stay in the church".

[_asbestosman]

Give one good logical reason to believe in the church. I can't think of one.

It seems to work--at least for me (and my family).

[_Mister Scratch]

Logic would have to play a major role...

What do you mean?

Because nothing else seems to hold much sway on me. People can easily talk my head off with history and the like. I'll never follow or understand. But if someone could sit down and perform something like a mathematical proof, it will be much more persuasive to me.

Also, I'm not much of one for being persuaded by rhetoric, accusations of racism, or emotional arguments. Do it like people do math or forget it.

Conversely, I would be very interested in seeing a TBM supply a "mathematical proof" which demonstrates that the Church is true.

[_asbestosman]

Conversely, I would be very interested in seeing a TBM supply a "mathematical proof" which demonstrates that the Church is true.

God doesn't work that way.

So why the unfair burden on falsification? Easy. The church provides more happiness than any other approach and also seems to work as it indicates. You would need something very powerful to take away my happiness--happiness from an approach where the claims appear to be verified through personal experience.

[_gramps]

Give one good logical reason to believe in the church. I can't think of one.

It seems to work--at least for me (and my family).

Lots of ways will work. Have you tried any other ways to see if they would work even better?

If not, why not?

It can't be because you think the doctrine is logical or how the spirit works is logical, or is it?