DCP: RFM on the path to Nazism

[_dartagnan]

Didn't the mods over at FAIR/MAD throw their foot down about any passing references, no matter how superficial, with Hitler or Nazi Germany?

Well Dan has raised the issue of Nazi Germany, suggesting that RFM's "demonization" of a group of people is not unlike the beginnings of Nazi Germany. (Yea, and the LDS Church doesn't demonize anyone right?)

Where are the moderators? One is probably applauding while the other is probably massaging his neck as he types. We all know the special privilege game they play over there. Certain things are particularly distateful unless it comes from DCP. Dan is now trying to mitigate what he said by insisting he was not "equating" RFM with Nazis.

I have said this before and I will say it again. I think it does him no credit as a scholar to be so obssessed with RFM. It is a private organization that has made it perfectly clear it does not want him around. Yet, he insists on snooping in and snagging statements made there to further his, what I can only be assumed to be misguided apologetics.

Some people might find this hard to believe, but I have never logged into RFM and snooped. The only time I hear about RFM is when I am browsing the MAD board. I went there once by accident and saw the bile, and that was all I needed to see. This was like eight years ago too. Dan has pitched a tent there and spends precious time taking notes, perhaps perparing for a sequel to his latest FAIR article.

[_Runtu]

Didn't the mods over at FAIR/MAD throw their foot down about any passing references, no matter how superficial, with Hitler or Nazi Germany?

Well Dan has raised the issue of Nazi Germany, suggesting that RFM's "demonization" of a group of people is not unlike the beginnings of Nazi Germany. (Yea, and the LDS Church doesn't demonize anyone right?)

Where are the moderators? One is probably applauding while the other is probably massaging his neck as he types. We all know the special privilege game they play over there. Certain things are particularly distateful unless it comes from DCP. Dan is now trying to mitigate what he said by insisting he was not "equating" RFM with Nazis.

I have said this before and I will say it again. I think it does him no credit as a scholar to be so obssessed with RFM. It is a private organization that has made it perfectly clear it does not want him around. Yet, he insists on snooping in and snagging statements made there to further his, what I can only be assumed to be misguided apologetics.

Some people might find this hard to believe, but I have never logged into RFM and snooped. The only time I hear about RFM is when I am browsing the MAD board. I went there once by accident and saw the bile, and that was all I needed to see. This was like eight years ago too. Dan has pitched a tent there and spends precious time taking notes, perhaps perparing for a sequel to his latest FAIR article.

RfM is definitely a mixed bag. I saw that thread on "would you have killed Joseph Smith" and figured it wasn't worth my time at all. The problem here is that DCP and Juliann, among others, pick through the posts and find the most offensive and then tar everyone there by association. Let's look at some of the threads over there. Here are the first 5 when I went to RfM just now:

How do I find a counselor?
The Word of Wisdom is a guideline. Why is it taken so seriously?
Anybody know anything about RLDS?
Does anyone else feel lost and abandoned when their temple-married ex remarries in the temple again?
Question about Idaho State .. how would a non-mo student get along there?

Nothing about murdering Joseph Smith or hate-filled diatribes. Yes, you can find them, obviously. What's funny is that the thread about murdering Joseph Smith was almost universally pegged as a TBM troll (maybe DCP himself?) trying to make RfM look bad. Here's what one poster had to say:

If ex-Mormon becomes a hate site, I am out of here. Lets be careful what we post. If you want to commit murder perhaps you should reconsider your ethics and check in with your psychologist. I wish Joseph Smith was exposed, not killed. Had he lived it is far more likely he would have been exposed and not seen as a 'martyr' by his followers. His living would have been the best thing, his death unleashed (by Brigham Young and staff) the organization that we see today, which is significantly different from Joseph Smith church. Or is it your intent to kill all men who are horny? I agree, Joseph Smith was a horny man, I have that in common with him! He did not destroy my life, he simply created a false belief system, one of thousands. So far, society doesn't condone murder for starting religions, regardless how bizarre, cult-like or imposing.

So, not only was the post not representative, but it was denounced. But you wouldn't know that from our good professor, would you? And the comparison to Nazi Germany is contemptible.

[_dartagnan]

Thanks for that information Runtu. I wonder if DCP realizes that this kind of posting was denounced and that some suspect it was by a TBM just trying to play the victim card. If the site administrator wants to share with me the IP information of the poster, I can confirm if it belongs to one of the three TBMs (DCP included) who have posted on my forum.

[_Bond...James Bond]

So one message board (containing a few hundred posters) talking about a tiny religion (which most people don't give two s**** about) is being compared with the group who took over Europe and started a conflict that led to more deaths than any other war in history with the ultimate purpose of exterminating minority groups in order to institute some pseudo-racial theory? Rightttt.....

[MODERATOR NOTE: Please don't use the "S" word in the Terrestrial Forum. Thanks in advance.]

[_Runtu]

Thanks for that information Runtu. I wonder if DCP realizes that this kind of posting was denounced and that some suspect it was by a TBM just trying to play the victim card. If the site administrator wants to share with me the IP information of the poster, I can confirm if it belongs to one of the three TBMs (DCP included) who have posted on my forum.

I could ask them if they'd share that with me if you would like. Honestly, there are indeed some hate-filled nutjobs on RfM, but it's not the cesspool of bile Juliann and DCP make it out to be. After all, they tell everyone that MDB is full of pornography and profanity, which is simply not the case. But people believe them.

[_dartagnan]

Dan's argument is that it is a short walk from normalcy to genocide, so it is best to nevr take a single foot down that path. Demonizing an entiure grup of people is taking that first step he says.

So I suppose that means the LDS Church, with its policy of demonizing all apostates, is also on the path to commiting genocide.

[_Bond...James Bond]

I could ask them if they'd share that with me if you would like. Honestly, there are indeed some hate-filled nutjobs on RfM, but it's not the cesspool of bile Juliann and DCP make it out to be. After all, they tell everyone that MDB is full of pornography and profanity, which is simply not the case. But people believe them.

Doesn't this say something about the morons who follow Juliann and DCP bleating like sheep?

[_Runtu]

Thanks for that information Runtu. I wonder if DCP realizes that this kind of posting was denounced and that some suspect it was by a TBM just trying to play the victim card. If the site administrator wants to share with me the IP information of the poster, I can confirm if it belongs to one of the three TBMs (DCP included) who have posted on my forum.

Considering that both he and Juliann have misrepresented entire threads on RfM and over here, I'd say it's a distinct possibility that he saw the same troll denunciation that I did.

[_dartagnan]

More importantly, the fact that this post caused people to cry "troll", says something itself about how this is not the general tone of the forum.

I think I'll go did up a few priceless quotes from MADD and write up articles about it. Maybe the one where diggerdan says the victims at Mountain Meadows were better off being slaughtered. That was really a choice comment, but worse of all, it was defended by several FAIRites, including a mod.

This was unquestionalbly, not a troll related post.

[_Infymus]

Some people might find this hard to believe, but I have never logged into RFM and snooped. The only time I hear about RFM is when I am browsing the MAD board. I went there once by accident and saw the bile, and that was all I needed to see. This was like eight years ago too. Dan has pitched a tent there and spends precious time taking notes, perhaps perparing for a sequel to his latest FAIR article.

While I agree with you on the position of DCP, I must disagree with you when it comes to RFM.

Yes, there is bile on RFM, there is bile on my forums over at http://www.exmormonforums.com. It is a part of the healing process. There are diamonds in the rough on RFM and I spent countless hours hunting those gems down and archiving them.

You want bile, go look at "The Telestial Forum" here on MD.

There are many stages to recovery and those who are nearing the end of recovery are not using as much bile as they did beforehand. Some people use it all the time. Some are aggressive - and were aggressive while they were Mormons and now are aggressive ex-Mormons. /Shrug. People like DCP love it when we ex-Mormons are spewing bile - they take it and run with it, waving it over their heads and yelling "SEE! SEE! See what happens when you loose the spirit!"

DCP, OTOH, uses passive aggressive attacks on Ex-Mormons rather than spew bile.

I cull very few real rants on my site, and seek permission from the authors to ** out the swear words. Spend a little time browsing over all of the articles I have http://www.mormoncurtain.com/topics.html and I think you will find a lot of real positive messages from those on the path to recovery.

Cheers!