Evidence of God

[_The Nehor]

On another thread I was asked to provide experiences that I believe were evidence that God exists. Before I begin I should make a few points.

A. These are not the main reasons I believe in and follow God.
B. I am leaving out the most dramatic and powerful experiences I have had since I do not want them mocked.

1. This involves not me but someone close to me to start. I had recently broken up with my fiance. I did not yet know that the strain of the break-up had driven her insane. She attempted to stab herself through the foot with her car antenna and then proceeded to walk into a total stranger's house and start stripping in front of them telling them that her clothes were dirty. My Bishop was cutting limbs off trees in the backyard when he felt a very familiar voice in his head telling him to go to the Church Building next door to the house she was at. She was able to calm her down until the police could arrive and prevent her from hurting herself. My best friend also felt an urge to go there and did and found out what was going on and called me. Later God told me that telling me to go would have driven her further over the edge so he sent others to do what I could not.

2. While praying one night I had a strong feeling that I needed to get in touch with a friend. I ignored the feeling and finished my prayer and went to bed. As I crawled into bed I was struck by a strong sensation that caused me to fall to the side accompanied by a brief mental image of my friend crying. I called her but there was no answer. I drove over and found out that she had lost her job, her car had broken down and she had no food or money and hadn't eaten for over a day. She was too proud to ask anyone for help. I took her out to eat (in my pajamas since I was too lazy to get dressed before leaving) and gave her some money and we worked out how to get her back on her feet.

3. Let's change it up some. This is a negative experience. While on my Mission one night the local anti- brigade showed up at our house. These were not civilized individuals and were spewing hate at us from outside. There was a feeling of darkness and they continued chanting hate and threatening us with death. The 3 other missionaries were downstairs while I went upstairs. I was not afraid as these people had proved themselves in the past to be all talk. As I looked out the front window at them I saw an image of a man floating towards me from the ground. His expression showed that he just hated me. I backed away from the window. I wasn't afraid but had a feeling of weirdness. Then I lost all fine motor control and started shaking. I was able to throw myself into a chair. I bit my tongue once but was able to keep it back after that. Then I heard a voice in my head telling me what kind of death I would experience and promising me various methods of torture....some of which I had never heard of before and had to look up later. He told me to remember his name. I called upon God and felt like I was wrestling though I wasn't moving. One of the other Elders came upstairs and tried to help me but had no idea what was going on. He helped me out of the chair and onto the bed. I couldn't speak due to my teeth chattering and tongue spasming. After what seemed like about 2 minutes I felt it and saw it leave.

I was going to write more but I have stuff I have to get done. Maybe later.

Happy debunking.

Edit: I failed to make it clear that this is not evidence per se in the academic sense. It probably functions as evidence only for me as I am the only one who experienced it (except in the cases where others were directly involved as well).

[_Coggins7]

While on my Mission one night the local anti- brigade showed up at our house. These were not civilized individuals and were spewing hate at us from outside.

Its good to see that Scratch and his family get out together as a family unit and involve themselves in something in which they can all bond as significant others and get to know each other better.

Gee, Scratch is an old softie after all.

What a way to spend FHE.

[_The Nehor]

Its good to see that Scratch and his family get out together as a family unit and involve themselves in something in which they can all bond as significant others and get to know each other better.

Gee, Scratch is an old softie after all.

What a way to spend FHE.

That was a cheap shot

[_Gazelam]

Thanks for sharing that Nehor. Amazing stories.

[_Coggins7]

Many other LDS have had experiences very similar, if unique in each case, to this. This kind of personal evidence or witness will send the secularists and materialists into full smarm mode, however, as none of it measures up to the specific kind of empirical evidence verifiable to independent observers required by science. Its the attempt to hold the Gospel to the narrow and specific requirements of science that is the problem here, it should be pointed out, not any artificial conflict between science and its methodologies and such spiritual experiences and "evidence".

We are dealing with a different world, or sphere here, and therefore, a different kind of, shall we say, perceptual field.


Loran

[_Coggins7]

That was a cheap shot

Yes Nehor, and well, well deserved at the very least. I've tried to keep them at a bare minimum of late, and I just keep absorbing Scratch's character assassination and attempt to have a civil debate. Every now and then, I get one cheap shot to Comrade Scratch's dozen or so.


You'll get over it.

[_JAK]

None of the anecdotal stories are evidence for God as you claim.

The evidence is of your mentality. They are evidence that your God box is extremely limited to emotional feelings only.

You also fail any refutation or analysis which has been presented to you.

Again, you attempt to declare truth by assertion. Even if all your stories are your perception or your experience, they offer nothing which is open to testing, skeptical review, or objective analysis for some entity that one might consider rises to the level of evidence for God.

You really do have a very tiny God.

JAK

[_Coggins7]

And by the way, keep in mind as you're defending Scratch, one of the most vicious, mendacious anti-Mormon demagogues I've ever run into either on the Web or in print, that what you tolerate and accept, you teach.

[_Gazelam]

"All true religion is a feeling" - Bruce R. McConkie to his son Joseph Fielding McConkie.

The Holy Ghost can be distinguished from ordinary feeling by the fact that the Holy GHost is always accompanied by revelation and pure intelligence.

[_The Nehor]

None of the anecdotal stories are evidence for God as you claim.

The evidence is of your mentality. They are evidence that your God box is extremely limited to emotional feelings only.

You also fail any refutation or analysis which has been presented to you.

Again, you attempt to declare truth by assertion. Even if all your stories are your perception or your experience, they offer nothing which is open to testing, skeptical review, or objective analysis for some entity that one might consider rises to the level of evidence for God.

You really do have a very tiny God.

JAK

Did you not read the end of my post? I wasn't offering you skeptical review. I was showing you some evidences that have reinforced my own belief. I hardly expected you to fall to your knees and begin shouting 'hosanna' at the top of your lungs after reading it. I think you think I'm trying to convince you that there is a God. I'm not arrogant enough to think I can do that. If God desperately wanted to prove himself to you I hardly think he would need my help to do it.

I didn't go into physical miracles (no, I'm not talking about healing) because in all but one of them I was the only one there. My God is not limited to emotional feelings. Did you miss the being physically affected parts? At least accuse me of having seizures or something....I mean, c'mon.

I don't understand how I fail any refutation or analysis which has been presented.....can you explain?

I'm declaring truth by experience, not assertion.

I do not know how tall God is so he may in fact be tiny. If he chooses to reveal himself to me physically I'll give you an update.