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The Trinity

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 6:46 pm
by _Selah
I've been wrestling with accepting the Trinity lately. I think part of me doesn't want to accept it as a last hold out to hang onto the church (yes I know I'm confusing.. :P ) but are there any websites or books or anything that deal with the basic traditional trinity teachings that you would recommend?

Have any of you gone through this?

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:00 pm
by _Doctor Steuss
The best book for "dealing" with the Trinity would be the Bible. But, if you would instead like affirmation of it's truth via strenuous exegesis and logical contradictions, then I'd suggest The Forgotten Trinity by James White

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 7:41 pm
by _rcrocket
Robin Lane Fox, Pagans & Christians. The chapter on "Language of the Gods"

William Rusch, The Trinitarian Controversy.

I also wrote a paper on this topic for an evangelical minister friend of mine. I can't vouch for the internet jumps any longer.

http://docs.google.com/View?docid=df5t8cqm_2csw3qk

rcrocket

Re: The Trinity

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 8:51 pm
by _Mercury
Selah wrote:I've been wrestling with accepting the Trinity lately. I think part of me doesn't want to accept it as a last hold out to hang onto the church (yes I know I'm confusing.. :P ) but are there any websites or books or anything that deal with the basic traditional trinity teachings that you would recommend?

Have any of you gone through this?


If your having such a hard time accepting the trinity why not consider the option that there is no trinity and furthermore that there is no god?

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 9:06 pm
by _grayskull
If you're still trying to convince yourself to be Mormon, go the "publish on one thing, authority on everything" route that the apologists take. Do some research on Isaac Newton and see if you can find some of his attacks on the notion of the Trinity and then reason, since he invented diff. calculus, gravity, and optics, that he must not have "just left his brain at the door" when doing theology and satisfy yourself that the doctrine of the Trinity is false.

(It is really false by the way, but that's just because there is no such thing as God).

Re: The Trinity

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 10:15 pm
by _Roger Morrison
Selah wrote:I've been wrestling with accepting the Trinity lately. I think part of me doesn't want to accept it as a last hold out to hang onto the church (yes I know I'm confusing.. :P ) but are there any websites or books or anything that deal with the basic traditional trinity teachings that you would recommend?

Have any of you gone through this?


Read John Shelby Spong's books... "Sins of Scripture" (Google for others) Check out my just submitted "New Topic"... Believe what You want for as long as You want to. Then....???? The sun always comes up in the East... Warm regards, Roger

Posted: Thu May 31, 2007 10:23 pm
by _moksha
Just think of the life-cycle for Pokémon.

Re: The Trinity

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 12:05 am
by _JAK
Mercury wrote:
Selah wrote:I've been wrestling with accepting the Trinity lately. I think part of me doesn't want to accept it as a last hold out to hang onto the church (yes I know I'm confusing.. :P ) but are there any websites or books or anything that deal with the basic traditional trinity teachings that you would recommend?

Have any of you gone through this?


If your having such a hard time accepting the trinity why not consider the option that there is no trinity and furthermore that there is no god?


Exactly so, Mercury.

No evidence has been established for God or any of the God claims. Instead, we have the conjecture for the claims.

The Trinity is simply one of many Christian doctrines that was constructed. Some historians regard the doctrine as a device to sell Christianity. It worked and the doctrine has been a part of Christianity since it was first invented.

One religious construction for the Trinity

Another

A Muslim Perspective

JAK

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 3:41 am
by _huckelberry
Selah, It would help a bit if you explained what sort of difficulty you experience. My experience is that there are two important difficulties in the trinity. the first is believing that there actually is a God who created all things and is personal. The second difficulty is in seeing Jesus, some first century Jew, as actually being devine,or anything beyond a human like the rest of us. There really should be some difficulty with both of those propositions.

Once my personal path went through the process of coming to see both of things as true the Trinity seemed a logical result of those two propositions. It should be realized that there are various descriptions of the Trinity and no reason to expect any of them to be complete.

Posted: Fri Jun 01, 2007 4:03 am
by _Bond...James Bond
I've tried to wrap my mind around the Trinity but it's really tough....it's more likely that instead of 3 being 1 the following scenarios are the reality:

1) There are no other Dieties
2) There is only One Diety (that's One=One, not Three=One)
3) There are many Dieties (and if it's so then they could very likely be infinite)

Everytime I hear someone explaining the Trinity it sounds like Peter Piper....after a while I just don't care how many pickles he picked. I much prefer No Gods or One God as a theory.