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The Evolution of the Juliann Board

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:17 pm
by _beastie
Has anyone else notice a seemingly evolutionary pattern in the Juliann Board, a.k.a. MAD? It changed once FAIR divested itself of attachment and became openly more confrontational and even more openly partisan as far as the moderating is concerned. But now it seems to be embracing the infusion of Juliann herself in the personality and tone of the board. Of course she was always a prominent and often dominant voice, even on FAIR, and those "in the know" knew part of the reason she got away with so much rude behavior was due to her position as founder and funder of the FAIR board. But now this fact is openly embraced, and it seems to me that Juliann, even is she is no longer a mod as she claims, is being given even MORE leeway to do as she chooses with "her" board. (yes, technically not "hers"...........but it's still obvious who wears the pants in that little relationship).

Anyone else notice this, or do I just have too much time on my hands right now and am paying more attention to it than I formerly did?

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:21 pm
by _Runtu
You know what? I'm tired of talking about personalities, juliann's or anyone else's.

Re: The Evolution of the Juliann Board

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:34 pm
by _harmony
beastie wrote:Has anyone else notice a seemingly evolutionary pattern in the Juliann Board, a.k.a. MAD? It changed once FAIR divested itself of attachment and became openly more confrontational and even more openly partisan as far as the moderating is concerned. But now it seems to be embracing the infusion of Juliann herself in the personality and tone of the board. Of course she was always a prominent and often dominant voice, even on FAIR, and those "in the know" knew part of the reason she got away with so much rude behavior was due to her position as founder and funder of the FAIR board. But now this fact is openly embraced, and it seems to me that Juliann, even is she is no longer a mod as she claims, is being given even MORE leeway to do as she chooses with "her" board. (yes, technically not "hers"...........but it's still obvious who wears the pants in that little relationship).

Anyone else notice this, or do I just have too much time on my hands right now and am paying more attention to it than I formerly did?


Who funds the MAD board?

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:36 pm
by _beastie
You know what? I'm tired of talking about personalities, juliann's or anyone else's.


Then don't.

However, for others, the personality I want to discuss is the MAD board. I used "Juliann Boards" because, in a way, in my view, the tone of the board has become patterned after Juliann's tone. The mods stepping in to warn people they're "off topic" when they actually are simply disagreeing with the topic is an example.

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:38 pm
by _Runtu
beastie wrote:
You know what? I'm tired of talking about personalities, juliann's or anyone else's.


Then don't.

However, for others, the personality I want to discuss is the MAD board. I used "Juliann Boards" because, in a way, in my view, the tone of the board has become patterned after Juliann's tone. The mods stepping in to warn people they're "off topic" when they actually are simply disagreeing with the topic is an example.


Sorry, I wasn't meaning to slam you. I'm just really tired today of all the insults flying back and forth.

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:42 pm
by _The Dude
Hey runtu, are you sure you aren't just being the board nanny over here like Juliann told you to? If you don't like that, you can agree with Beastie, in which case you are merely "steadying the ark". LOL

Catch-22 :P

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:44 pm
by _Runtu
The Dude wrote:Hey runtu, are you sure you aren't just being the board nanny over here like Juliann told you to? If you don't like that, you can agree with Beastie, in which case you are merely "steadying the ark". LOL

Catch-22 :P


Don't ark-steadiers get struck down? Yeah, that is kind of ironic, isn't it? LOL.

Thanks for making me smile. I kind of needed that.

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:45 pm
by _beastie
My understanding is that Juliann "started" the FAIR boards with funding, but I'm sure others probably help fund it now, too, although I'm just guessing.

Even Juliann is alluding to the evolution, although she is, of course, using different language to describe it:

http://www.mormonapologetics.org/index. ... 463&st=100

emeliza (who I think is a believe, but I could be wrong) asked:



I thought this was a Mormon apologetics board where we could all come together to discuss things....Mormons and non-Mormons alike........but that it was suppose to be done respectfully.


Juliann responded:

Yes, that was the intent and I am the one who knows my own intent in starting this better than anymore. But it was never intended that rude countermos would see themselves as having any say on how the board was run or what we should talk about....or how. If a Mormon is angry about something this is the place for them. I feel responsible for setting up a situation where the antis were allowed to trash Mormons on their own board and they are fighting to maintain the privilege despite the change of guard.


This is what I'm talking about: the guard has changed, and in that changing, has adopted a more aggressive, openly partisan tone. "If a Mormon is angry about something this is the place for them." I don't think FAIR would have ever described themselves in that way, but I think Juliann has been angry for a long time. I know, from her solicitation of ZLMB members to FAIR, that she "advertised" FAIR as a place where LDS would be afforded a type of protection from critics that ZLMB was not doing. So FAIR was always openly biased, in its own way, but I think high profile posters would not have felt comfortable identifying it as a place for angry Mormons. Now Juliann is openly advertising it as such.

The irony in all of this is that the mods at ZLMB struggled with this same issue, and the problem wasn't misbehaving exLDS. It is that LDS, in general, often feel personally attacked when the truth claims of the LDS church are vigorously analyzed and critiqued. Believe me, on ZLMB, the mods did their best to keep PERSONAL attacks off the board, and LDS offended as frequently as exLDS. (and, at times, moreso) But this didn't stop LDS from feeling attacked, anyway, because their cherished truth claims were being analyzed by exbelievers. It has to do with the tendency of believers to enmesh their identities with the church, in my opinion.

So guess what. Even on FAIR/MAD where the moderators didn't make any attempt to be nonpartisan, and critics are rigorously censored and banned, believers STILL are feeling "under attack".

It is interesting to see Juliann struggle with the same issue Pacumeni (the founder of ZLMB) struggled with, at the end. And what will the resolution be this time? They can't create yet another board with even more partisan protection - the only answer is one they've been increasingly hinting at - a board that will be comprised almost solely of believers, with only a few "select" nonbelievers here and there.

This, to me, is validation of what I had concluded long ago: that dialog between believing Mormon and exmormon is a pipe dream, by and large. It just can't happen, with rare exceptions.

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:52 pm
by _beastie
Sorry, I wasn't meaning to slam you. I'm just really tired today of all the insults flying back and forth.


No problem. It all depends on my mood whether I find it tiring or entertaining. As I stated to you in another thread, you have far more personal investment in this than I do, so it makes sense you would take it more seriously.

On the other hand, I find myself relating to George Carlin, who calls himself a "bystander" in terms of observing the political scene, because he no longer feels invested. I really don't believe dialog between believer and exbeliever is possible on any scale except a very limited one. So when I see the situation devolve as it has lately, it seems funny to me, but I can understand why it wouldn't be funny to someone struggling to bridge the family gap.



“When you're born you get a ticket to the freak show. When you're born in America, you get a front row seat.”


George Carlin

Posted: Tue Jun 19, 2007 8:53 pm
by _CaliforniaKid
She does seem to be much more overt about claiming hegemony over the board than she was a month or two ago.