Welcome question for Mr. Peterson: Where is the stone box?

[_Polygamy Porter]

Hi Dan,

How's it been? I have missed you.

So the story of ol Joe says that the resurrected Hebrew Indian, Moroni the librarian, took the golden book back before any educated credible scientific minds could verify it, fine whatever.

HOWEVER, the stone box was too heavy. Moroni could barley heft the 80-200 pound plates, sides that, he was a librarian and did not need the stone box.

So then, do tell us how this engineering marvel disappeared?

You know, the box that hermetically magically sealed out the moisture of 1400 spring and summers of hard rain, the snow of 1400 winters, and all of the tree roots, critters and bugs for over fourteen hundred years!

You picking up what I am putting down? I am tawkin 'bout the hermetically magically sealed stone box that kept steel from rusting for 1400 years, gold alloy from etching for 1400 years, and according to "The Restoration DVD" depiction, kept leather soft and supple for over 1400 years?

Just where is the stone box? It lasted 1400 YEARS!! Yet disappeared within a few years.

Engineered so well that it kept out four additional years after a dumb farmboy removed and replaced the sealing cap stone... musta been idiot proof.


Why did Joe not show that to the scholars and unbiased witnesses?

[_The Nehor]

Who said the sword didn't rust and the leather didn't rot away.

Please tell me you do not get your understanding of the Church by DVD. That's like learning World History by watching "History of the World Part I" by Mel Brooks.

"I have brought you 15 commandments"
(Moses falls, breaking off part of the tablets and looking at them)
"I have brought you 10 commandments"

I think angels get superstrength so he could haul off the box. I certainly intend to give myself superstrength when I'm resurrected. Heck if you can fly modding the body to lift a ton shouldn't be that hard.

[_Tarski]

Hi Dan,

How's it been? I have missed you.

So the story of ol Joe says that the resurrected Hebrew Indian, Moroni the librarian, took the golden book back before any educated credible scientific minds could verify it, fine whatever.

HOWEVER, the stone box was too heavy. Moroni could barley heft the 80-200 pound plates, sides that, he was a librarian and did not need the stone box.

So then, do tell us how this engineering marvel disappeared?

You know, the box that hermetically magically sealed out the moisture of 1400 spring and summers of hard rain, the snow of 1400 winters, and all of the tree roots, critters and bugs for over fourteen hundred years!

DCP (and Hamblin and Nibley and .....) believes in gods, angels and miracles like the parting of the Red Sea. Why would such a minor miracle as a weather resistant stone box bother him or any other religious person?
check out http://www.mcn.org/1/Miracles/

[_Polygamy Porter]

Who said the sword didn't rust and the leather didn't rot away.

Please tell me you do not get your understanding of the Church by DVD. That's like learning World History by watching "History of the World Part I" by Mel Brooks.

Excellent point Nehor.

Tell that to the yarn spinners at LDS Inc. That DVD and the emotionally engineered mo'vie they squirt up on the screen at the Joseph Smith memorial theater are basically FALLACIOUS FACADES.

[_Polygamy Porter]

DCP (and Hamblin and Nibley and .....) believes in gods, angels and miracles like the parting of the Red Sea. Why would such a minor miracle as a weather restistant stone box bother him or any other religious person?

I bet Dan's favorite song is by Janice Capp Perry... "With GAWD ain't nuttin impossible and ever'thang is plausible"

[_The Nehor]

Tell that to the yarn spinners at LDS Inc. That DVD and the emotionally engineered mo'vie they squirt up on the screen at the Joseph Smith memorial theater are basically FALLACIOUS FACADES.

Take it for what it is. Otherwise you have to say the same thing for "The Ten Commandments" and just about every historical movie ever made and call them all FALLACIOUS FACADES (which would be a good name for a band by the way).

[_Gadianton]

Take it for what it is. Otherwise you have to say the same thing for "The Ten Commandments" and just about every historical movie ever made and call them all FALLACIOUS FACADES (which would be a good name for a band by the way).

Whaoh! This is a classic example of the kind of rhetorical skepticism in apologetics Tal often brings up. If we can't make intellectual room for a 1400 year old stone box that mysteriously disappears, then we need to throw out every historical movie ever made as surely they all contain some flaws.

[_The Nehor]

Whaoh! This is a classic example of the kind of rhetorical skepticism in apologetics Tal often brings up. If we can't make intellectual room for a 1400 year old stone box that mysteriously disappears, then we need to throw out every historical movie ever made as surely they all contain some flaws.

I'm not saying we should throw out all the movies, I'm saying calling a movie with a possible mistake a FALLACIOUS FACADE might be an overreaction so I overreacted the other way to throw light on the first overreaction. Now you're overreacting to my overreacting designed to expose another overreaction. Therefore my main hope is that you will see the first reaction as an overreaction and understand that all further overreactions are designed to combat the first overreaction and make it normal. Basically all the overreactions = null.

[_Gadianton]

A possible mistake? If that's your position, wouldn't the first overreaction be your claim that watching a church produced DVD is to learning the gospel as watching the spoof, History of the World, is to learning history?

I realize your point is of the form, if x is true, then y - something everyone would agree is unbelievable such as throwing out all historical movies - follows. Apologists make this kind of point all the time.

[_The Nehor]

Actually my point is that the producer of the DVD probably didn't know whether the sword of Laban had rusted and probably gave it no thought at all.