TBM Plies Anti-Defamation League re: September Dawn

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TBM Plies Anti-Defamation League re: September Dawn

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It just keeps getting worse and worse. In another thread, I explored the prejudice with which TBMs are approaching the upcoming film, September Dawn. It turns out that hardcore LDS sentiment on this is much, much worse. In a thread entitled, "Michael Medved Interviews Jon Voigt," cinepro announced that folks would be able to listen to these two hash things about. (Medved is sympathetic to the LDS Church's position, and so naturally the MAD TBMs have been using him as a crutch.) Anyways, the idiocy gets going right from the start:

Consiglieri wrote:
Pa Pa wrote:I heard it...John V. says we are religious extreemist like terriosts in Islam. Quick how many words did I misspell (including that one)

Pa Pa

Oh, yeah?

Well, his career's in the toilet.

Living well is the best revenge!


How many people want to guess whether or not J. Voigt really said that "we"---i.e., contemporary LDS---are "extreemist"? Bernard Gui would seem to disagree. Or perhaps he was listening to a totally different program?

Bernard Gui wrote:He based his beliefs on the MMM on John Lee's diary,
the Bagley book, and another short work by a 19th
century member...I cannot remember the name.
He did say he would not hold MMM against Mitt Romney
and he wished the Church would fess up completely, although
he did express approval of the statement on the LDS
website. Several LDS called in, including a descendent
of BY, but no one had any hard information to contradict him.
Medved was very supportive of the LDS position and
repeatedly said there was no evidence BY was involved.
Voight thought he was.


Seems like a fair assessment, right? MorningStar, the Haagen-Dasz Princess, couldn't care less:

MorningStar wrote:I never heard of Jon Voight until that episode of Seinfeld when George (I think it was George) thought he had Jon Voight's old car. I had no idea who he was then and though I've read about September Dawn, I still don't know what he looks like or what else he has starred in. I don't find myself being very concerned that Jon Voight thinks we are religious extremists. It's about as upsetting as Eric Roberts believing we are religious extremists.

[...]

Let me know when John Cusack gets into this crap and I'm sure I'll get very upset. biggrin.gif Or Brendan Frasier. Eh, who cares. They're not time travelers and until they are, their opinion won't matter much to me.


What is striking to me about this is that not only are posters like MorningStar prejudiced against the film without having even seen it, but they are now ready to totally shun and crucify the personnel involved in it! Get a load of this:

rick7457 wrote:He is an actor who got his fame playing a gigolo cowboy and the worst President Roosevelt ever in film. And being an actor makes him an expert on religions and terrorism ... right.


Funny, eh? But here is the real humdinger. I found this post to be utterly breathtaking:

CQUIRK wrote:Jon Voight also was a bad father and husband to Angela and her mother. For the longest time she did harbor a grudge against him. I heard in high school, she was almost sucidial because of the breakup of her parent's marriage.

On another note, I recently contacted the Anti Defamation League, asking them to come out against the September Dawn movie. In my personal opinion, the ADL is nothing but a bunch of politically correct socialists. HOWEVER, in this case I'm willing to work with them since we both probably agree this movie is nothing but bigoted sensationalistic crap.
(emphasis added)

But just wait, it gets better:

CQUIRK wrote:I received a reply that they are waiting for the movie to come out first before they issue an opinion. Though I sent them some links on the movie reviews and a opinion piece from Michael. I'll probably email them a link to the SD trailer so they can get the idea of what I'm talking about. But yes it looks like they agree that the film stinks to high heaven of bigotry.

I know that if the ADL comes out against September Dawn, it might take some wind out if the sails and the mainstream media wouldn't necessarly be promoting a movie like September Dawn if the ADL condemns it.

Even Left-wing anti-Mormons would think again with siding with something that the Anti-Defamation League bashes.
(emphasis added)

Wow! Pretty amazing that this person is willing to start up an email campaign to a organization s/he *hates*, just in order to attack a film s/he hasn't even seen! Further, in striking contrast to the overwhelming TBM sentiment on MAD, the evil, socialist ADF is actually waiting to comment until they've seen the film. What a concept! Onward, Christian soldiers.....
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Re: Bedding the Devil to Smear "September Dawn"

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Mister Scratch wrote:It just keeps getting worse and worse.

What a surprise. Has any of the innumerable Scratch narratives about the Church or about any faithful Church member ever gone the other direction?

Mister Scratch wrote:In another thread, I explored the prejudice with which TBMs are approaching the upcoming film, September Dawn.

Scratch "explored" it? Scratch's tales are as formulaic and predictable as a Harlequin Romance.
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Re: Bedding the Devil to Smear "September Dawn"

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Daniel Peterson wrote:
Mister Scratch wrote:It just keeps getting worse and worse.

What a surprise. Has any of the innumerable Scratch narratives about the Church or about any faithful Church member ever gone the other direction?


Well, you might have something here if it ever did go in another direction. Don't shoot the messenger.
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Re: TBM Plies Anti-Defamation League re: September Dawn

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CQUIRK wrote:I received a reply that they are waiting for the movie to come out first before they issue an opinion. . . But yes it looks like they agree that the film stinks to high heaven of bigotry.


OMFG!! Did anyone else catch this?

Can anyone explain to me how the ADL can agree that the film stinks to high heaven of bigotry, even though they're still waiting to see the film before issuing an opinion?
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Re: TBM Plies Anti-Defamation League re: September Dawn

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Dr. Shades wrote:
CQUIRK wrote:I received a reply that they are waiting for the movie to come out first before they issue an opinion. . . But yes it looks like they agree that the film stinks to high heaven of bigotry.


OMFG!! Did anyone else catch this?

Can anyone explain to me how the ADL can agree that the film stinks to high heaven of bigotry, even though they're still waiting to see the film before issuing an opinion?


I sure did catch it, Dr. Shades. In fact, I think this is the single funniest post I have read on MAD in a long, long time. What a whack-job.
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This is hilarious. In a way, someone not knowing who Jon Voight is and someone thinking the ADL will "get behind this issue" is equally as funny and preposterous. Wait, the bit about the ADL as socialists was even funnier.

You know if the Mormons would quit dead dunking Jews, the ADL might give them two seconds worth of notice...
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Blixa wrote:the ADL might give them two seconds worth of notice...


The ADL actually hooked the LDS up when the Joseph Smith/Jesus Christ DVD was hitting the streets. I doubt they'll pay much attention to a Hollywood film. I didn't exactly see them decrying Dogma.
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Doctor Steuss wrote:
Blixa wrote:the ADL might give them two seconds worth of notice...


The ADL actually hooked the LDS up when the Joseph Smith/Jesus Christ DVD was hitting the streets. I doubt they'll pay much attention to a Hollywood film. I didn't exactly see them decrying Dogma.

I'm not sure Dogma made any claims that it was based on actual events...
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Scottie wrote:
Doctor Steuss wrote:The ADL actually hooked the LDS up when the Joseph Smith/Jesus Christ DVD was hitting the streets. I doubt they'll pay much attention to a Hollywood film. I didn't exactly see them decrying Dogma.

I'm not sure Dogma made any claims that it was based on actual events...

So says you (kidding).

Sorry for the terrible example, I just couldn’t really think of anything that would accurately act as a parallel. Basically, I just don't see the ADL getting involved over a Hollywood film that is (purportedly) portraying a religious group negatively at the cost of historic accuracy.

On a side note:
Has anyone here read Shadows on the Past: Studies in the Historical Fiction Film by Leger Grindon?
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Doctor Steuss wrote:On a side note:
Has anyone here read Shadows on the Past: Studies in the Historical Fiction Film by Leger Grindon?


No but its on my reading list. I've ordered it from Amazon already.

(did I tell you about the book I'm working on in a PM already Steuss?)
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