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The Cover-Up: The after story of the Meadows Incident

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 3:58 pm
by _moksha
Reprinted from the MAD board

QUOTE(Severian @ Aug 25 2007, 11:06 PM)

Considering the massive scope of the crime there must have been an even larger cover-up. Is it the official Church position that Brigham Young was out of the loop on that cover-up as well? Didn't this cover-up pose an ethical dilemma for the Saints?

Alter Idem: Brigham Young always maintained that he knew nothing about the massacre. He did not order it or condone it. He also says that he was not told the truth of events when John D. Lee reported the massacre about three weeks after it happened. Wilford Woodruff's journal entry confirms what he said because it blames the massacre on Indians alone and says that the Emigrants riled up the Indians with ill treatment and the Indians retaliated. Lee told them that the settlers were unable to help. (Keep in mind that Lee was sent by his superiors, Dame and Haight, to report to Pres. Young. If he lied to the Pres, we have no reason to believe he did so to protect only himself, but on the orders of his superiors who told him what to tell the Pres.)

My opinion is that Young knew a little more than he admitted to the govt. (His version of events was admitted into the second trial through a deposition). For one thing, we know that he was told soon after the events by Jacob Hamblin that whites were involved in the massacre. We also know that he took action against some of the church leaders--releasing them from their callings a couple years after the event. He had to have had some reason for that--and it seems clear that it was because he learned more about their involvement.

Why wouldn't he fully admit to all his knowledge? Why didn't he do more to help bring the perpetrators to justice? Because of the effort of a number of his enemies to try and pin the responsibility for the massacre on him.

As early as 1859 when Jacob Forney wrote his report to Wash. DC on the event, he said "I fear, and I regret to say it, that with certain parties here there is a greater anxiety to connect Brigham Young and other Church dignitaries with every criminal offense than diligent endeavor to punish the actual perpetrators of crime".

He had fierce political opposition in Washington as well as in the Territory. The first trial of John D. Lee ended in a hung jury because of the prosecutions' attempts to try and implicate Brigham Young in the crime and the Mormon jurors would not convict Lee if it meant also giving credence to the prosecutions' version of the crime.

The second trial was a success because the prosecutors enlisted Pres. Young's help in trying to get witnesses to testify etc. by telling him they would only try the defendant and not try to go after the church.

The truth is, Pres. Young was the biggest target and when he died, the interest in Washington and in Utah of trying to bring in fugitives and spend all that money on a 20 year old crime fizzled.

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:41 pm
by _Polygamy Porter
Yes, and lets not forget his actions when he passed by the memorial some years later. This memorial was not built by any Mormon hands, no, it was built by the supposed evil US Army..

Recorded by Wilford Woodruff, May 25th, 1861, after Young ordered the monument dismantled and scattered..

"The pile of stone was about twelve feet high but beginning to tumble down. A wooden cross is placed on top with the following words, Vengeance is mine and I will repay saith the Lord... Pres. Young said it should be Vengeance is mine and I have taken a little."

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 6:51 pm
by _Polygamy Porter
So IF the Mormon leadership always believed it was John D. Lee who masterminded and led this massacre, why did they reinstate his membership and temple ordinances in 1961 and make a public announcement?

"For more than a hundred years, the families of John D. Lee have borne the opprobrium of the massacre alone. For that reason, they have welcomed every effort to probe the question; certainly no truth could be worse than the stories to which they were subjected. Now they have special cause to rejoice, for on April 20, 1961, the First Presidency and the Council of Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints met in joint council, and: 'It was the action of the Council after considering all the facts available that authorization be given for the reinstatement to membership and former blessings [temple marriages] to John D. Lee.' Word of this was sent out to members of the family, and on May 8 and 9, the necessary ordinances were performed in the Salt Lake Temple. A complete record is in the files of the Latter-day Saints Genealogical Society."

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:19 pm
by _barrelomonkeys
Polygamy Porter wrote:So IF the Mormon leadership always believed it was John D. Lee who masterminded and led this massacre, why did they reinstate his membership and temple ordinances in 1961 and make a public announcement?

"For more than a hundred years, the families of John D. Lee have borne the opprobrium of the massacre alone. For that reason, they have welcomed every effort to probe the question; certainly no truth could be worse than the stories to which they were subjected. Now they have special cause to rejoice, for on April 20, 1961, the First Presidency and the Council of Twelve Apostles of the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints met in joint council, and: 'It was the action of the Council after considering all the facts available that authorization be given for the reinstatement to membership and former blessings [temple marriages] to John D. Lee.' Word of this was sent out to members of the family, and on May 8 and 9, the necessary ordinances were performed in the Salt Lake Temple. A complete record is in the files of the Latter-day Saints Genealogical Society."



Didn't know this!

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:55 pm
by _Nephi
Because Mormons do EVERYONE's temple work, even Hitler has been done. We cannot judge; it is not our job to do so.

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:56 pm
by _barrelomonkeys
Nephi wrote:Because Mormons do EVERYONE's temple work, even Hitler has been done. We cannot judge; it is not our job to do so.


Weren't the LDS doing Holocaust victims at one point too? Do the LDS still do that?

by the way, is there a list of who has had work done for them?

Can you opt out? That sounds silly, but I'm serious.

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 7:59 pm
by _Polygamy Porter
barrelomonkeys wrote:
Nephi wrote:Because Mormons do EVERYONE's temple work, even Hitler has been done. We cannot judge; it is not our job to do so.


Weren't the LDS doing Holocaust victims at one point too? Do the LDS still do that?

by the way, is there a list of who has had work done for them?

Can you opt out? That sounds silly, but I'm serious.
The Mormons have been busted several times over the past 10 years for getting caught doing this, apologizing, promising to never do it again, only to get caught again...


What I wonder about, is there a method to excommunicate for the dead?

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:04 pm
by _gramps
Book of Mormon wrote:
Can you opt out? That sounds silly, but I'm serious.


I don't think so. (Que the Twilight Zone music here.)

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:05 pm
by _barrelomonkeys
gramps wrote:Book of Mormon wrote:
Can you opt out? That sounds silly, but I'm serious.


I don't think so. (Que the Twilight Zone music here.)


Oh dear. They're gonna get me no matter what.


Better live it up now!

Posted: Sun Aug 26, 2007 8:20 pm
by _gramps
Book of Mormon wrote:

Better live it up now!


Now you are getting the hang of it. You can't get away from them no matter how hard you tried. I mean, if Hitler can't get away, then certainly you won't have the chance. :)