Request for Keene

[_Scottie]

Keene, is there any way we could get you to fix the log in cookies on IE? I know you like to blame it on IE, but millions of other sites can keep cookies without problems. And, lets face it, >90% of the world uses IE. Having to sign in (usually 2 or 3 times) almost every time I log on is awfully irritating.

Or, if you would like, send me the code and I could look at it for you. Although I know you're protective of it, which is understandable.

Also, just to bring up one other bug that I've seen...when I finally do sign on, and jump to the "last post" of a topic, it clears all the other last posts. So then I have to try and remember which page # was the last one I looked at.

I honestly think this board would get more traffic if these couple of minor bugs could get fixed.

**Please note that I think the board is great! You've done a wonderful job on it. Just a couple of bugs left.

[_keene]

Keene, is there any way we could get you to fix the log in cookies on IE? I know you like to blame it on IE, but millions of other sites can keep cookies without problems. And, lets face it, >90% of the world uses IE. Having to sign in (usually 2 or 3 times) almost every time I log on is awfully irritating.

Or, if you would like, send me the code and I could look at it for you. Although I know you're protective of it, which is understandable.

Also, just to bring up one other bug that I've seen...when I finally do sign on, and jump to the "last post" of a topic, it clears all the other last posts. So then I have to try and remember which page # was the last one I looked at.

I honestly think this board would get more traffic if these couple of minor bugs could get fixed.

**Please note that I think the board is great! You've done a wonderful job on it. Just a couple of bugs left.

Here's the big problem with IE -- It uses proprietary code. To fix anything in IE usually involves either breaking it in every other browser, or writing triple the code (One for IE, one for The Right Way, and a script to detect which browser you use.)

And lets not forget the GAPING HUGE security vulnerabilities in IE. Even in IE7, there's enough 0-day exploits to take over your entire life.

If I can put it to an analogy, it's like asking me to go through my house, and replace all the phillips screws with flat-head, because you don't have a phillips head screwdriver.

Seriously. Dump IE. Get firefox, Opera, Safari, hell, even Lynx runs better! Drop IE like a watermelon off the Late Show with David Letterman. You won't miss it. I promise. I even went through the lengthy process of removing it completely from the installation CD. (also, the latest polls show IE at a mere 70%. Safari and FireFox are gunning for second place, with Opera in third. I use opera for my main browsing, and firefox for sites that use heavy javascript, like Google Docs. There's never been a point where I've had to use IE.)

As for the "last post" issue -- it's very difficult to program that sort of thing. People use the various options on this site in a huge varieties of ways. As an example, I have actually never used the "last post" feature, and I always simply remember what page I was on. It's quite impossible for me to expect and understand everyones browsing habits -- so I have left the system as open as possible, so you can pick your own methods.

However, I am thinking this site is due for an upgrade. Look in the off-topic forum, and I will create a feature request thread. Whatever gets the most requests (and isn't impossible) will get implemented next.

[_asbestosman]

And lets not forget the GAPING HUGE security vulnerabilities in IE. Even in IE7, there's enough 0-day exploits to take over your entire life.

Even in IE7 running on Vista? Last I checked, the protected mode stuff in IE7 on Vista provided some fairly good protection.

[_asbestosman]

Almost forgot to mention, I don't experience the logon problems Scottie does even though I'm running IE7. My OS in Windows Vista X64.

So from my perspective, I don't think Keene needs to fix anything and I think Microsoft might have made some improvements as well. I prefer IE to Firefox at least for now. I really like the ability to magnifiy not only text, but pictures and even embedded Flash objects too with the nifty magnifying glass in the bottom right hand side. That and the protected mode stuff is pretty awesome in my opinion.

[_keene]

And lets not forget the GAPING HUGE security vulnerabilities in IE. Even in IE7, there's enough 0-day exploits to take over your entire life.

Even in IE7 running on Vista? Last I checked, the protected mode stuff in IE7 on Vista provided some fairly good protection.

Illusion of security =/= security.

[_keene]

Almost forgot to mention, I don't experience the logon problems Scottie does even though I'm running IE7. My OS in Windows Vista X64.

So from my perspective, I don't think Keene needs to fix anything and I think Microsoft might have made some improvements as well. I prefer IE to Firefox at least for now. I really like the ability to magnifiy not only text, but pictures and even embedded Flash objects too with the nifty magnifying glass in the bottom right hand side. That and the protected mode stuff is pretty awesome in my opinion.

Opera's had all those for much longer than IE. AND it's the ONLY w3c compliant browser.

[Guest]

Keene,

I understand what you are saying, and if it were a minor little feature, I'd say forget it. But, come on...we're talking about the single most used component of the web site! I would think it should deserve a little bit more attention than some weird little anomaly that nobody ever used and happened every so often.

Try as you might, and as sucky as IE might be, it is still used (according to you) 70% of the time.

I program in ASP.Net and I have never had any problem storing my cookies between browsers. Not sure why PHP has such a problem??

[_asbestosman]

Opera's had all those for much longer than IE. AND it's the ONLY w3c compliant browser.

Then why not recommend Opera instead of Firefox? Sounds like I may need to switch to Opera.

[_asbestosman]

Illusion of security =/= security.

Indeed. It is a fact I like pointing out to Apple users who think the Mac > the PC. I remember January, the Month of Apple Bugs.

The thing about protected mode IE is that it greatly limits where malware can install itself so that even if there is a 0-day exploit, there's very little dammage that can be done UNLESS (and I admit it's an assumption) there is also a hole found in the protected mode part which is much less likely to happen in combo with another exploit.

Now, if Opera would do that too, I'd be sold.

[_asbestosman]

I program in ASP.Net and I have never had any problem storing my cookies between browsers. Not sure why PHP has such a problem??

But to be fair, Scottie, I've not had a problem with this site using IE. Perhaps there's something more going on here. I would find it ironic though if Microsoft was better at supporting open source browsers than open source PHP is at supporting Microsoft.