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Apologists and Church Art

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 6:51 am
by _Gadianton
Recently, I received a link from a fellow forum member to this page of FAIR wiki:

http://en.fairmormon.org/Church_art_and ... te_parson1

It's an apologetic piece countering undocummented claims that the church art which appears in its publications hides the truth. Well, given the socialist realistic tendencies of Mormonism, something along those lines is guaranteed to be true. But lets explore the apologist's shadow boxing on the matter.

The example they give is a painting of Joseph and Oliver sitting at the table translating by light of a lamp. The writer claims critics charge the painting misrepresents the translation process. Well, it looks to me like the critics would be right to charge that. In response, the author claims there is no conspiricy, because he can cite a few Mormon articles where the "rock in the hat" process is detailed.

But that doesn't take away away from the instances of all the false accounts, it doesn't, um, make the false accounts any more true. Do the manuals which print pictures like the one shown on F-Wiki talk about the rock in a hat?

Then the author tries for solipsism by citing R. J. Mathews on how difficult putting together filmstrips was because something always gets left out. If one little thing is left out, toss the whole project in the air--- since it can't ever be perfect, there should be no accountability whatsoever. He delights in the possibility of the truth, though,

It would be a marvelous help if there were artists who could illustrate things that researchers and archaeologists had discovered


Yes! And in the two hundred and some odd years of recounting the tale of the plates and drawing pictures dipicting it, couldn't the ever honest church just request one of its eager-to-serve artists to paint it right? Paint a picture of Smith with his head burried in a hat, and light coming out of the cracks emmanating from the magic rock inside?

So when the author says,

No, what the critics want is to make the translation alienating. They want it to seem bizarre, even eerie


he's hung himself because he's the one who relayed the call for artists to paint it how it really happened!

The middle portion of this article is your typical "The Bible is just as wrong as the Book of Mormon" apologetics. He cites instances of religious art that is not accurate. Well, many critics aren't going to be too phased by this since they have no problem declaring other religions scams too.

Modern audiences—especially those looking to find fault—have, in a sense, been spoiled by photography. We are accustomed to having images describe how things "really" were. We would be outraged if someone doctored a photo to change its content. This largely unconscious tendency may lead us to expect too much of artists,


But this is what's so funny, the picture he selected is about as close to a photograph as a painting can get! It's laughable to compare the other examples of religious art he links, to his LDS example. The painting he chose leaves little room for artistic license. In fact, as it was so for socialist realism, it's a matter of point to constrain the interpretation.

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 7:12 am
by _Boaz & Lidia
Very typical of these morons when backed into a corner.

They defend the most correct book(Book of Mormon), with the least correct one(Bible).

Problem with that is the events around the writing of the Book of Mormon are recent history. The supposed events from the Bible, those are supposedly over 2,000 years ago.

Like I said, anytime a critic brings up an issue with early Mormon history, they get out the Bible billy club and attempt to beat the critic into submission. This only works on those who believe the Bible to be divine.

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 2:06 pm
by _truth dancer
No, what the critics want is to make the translation alienating. They want it to seem bizarre, even eerie


I would suggest some believers want to make the bizarre seem normal, hence the misrepresentation.

If the truth is bizarre (putting a rock in a hat and putting the hat around one's face to read words that are supposedly written on golden plates in another language), so be it.

in my opinion, it is dishonest to promote what is false to normalize what is bizarre; to misrepresent the truth to appear more acceptable and believable.

~dancer~

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 5:47 pm
by _Mister Scratch
Great post, Gad. The fact is that the embarrassing and troubling aspects of the Church are ALWAYS omitted in artistic representations. Can you find me a single image of Joseph Smith or BY hanging out with their polygamous wives? A single Church rendering of MMM? Are there any Church pictures of Joseph Smith firing his gun during Carthage? Part of all of this is just a function of the Mormon obsession with secrecy; but part of it is not doubt the result of LDS propagandistic impulses.

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:12 pm
by _beastie
No, what the critics want is to make the translation alienating. They want it to seem bizarre, even eerie


Is it just me, or did this believer just admit that Joseph Smith translating with a rock in a hat is bizarre, alienating, and even eerie?

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:35 pm
by _moksha
beastie wrote:
No, what the critics want is to make the translation alienating. They want it to seem bizarre, even eerie


Is it just me, or did this believer just admit that Joseph Smith translating with a rock in a hat is bizarre, alienating, and even eerie?


It is the old dilemma of when legend meets actuality. Some find legend more palatable.

Posted: Mon Feb 11, 2008 11:41 pm
by _moksha
Image

One item never considered in the Fair Wiki article,
is what significance does it hold to the viewer that
the accuracy of the art is based on a lie? If so, does
it have wider application?

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:09 am
by _beastie
Boy, those fellows are as good lookin' as movie stars. :O

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:38 am
by _John Larsen
The apologists love to discount the art work but I think it is valuable on two levels:

1. It shows what an average reasonable member believes. If I write something kooky, as far as the membership is concerned in a manual, they may just gloss over the sentence. But art will be noticed and scrutinized by the membership on a deeper level.

2. Most people will learn and remember far more effectively from images than they will from text. The teacher can blah blah blah up front but if she puts up an image, that will typically stick.

The apologists are being indigenous. Imagery is a perfect way to maintain the status quo without having a smoking gun that some critic can block quote.

Posted: Tue Feb 12, 2008 1:54 am
by _Trinity
You all might enjoy this counter-art.

Images of the Restoration