Young-Mens Manual 1904-1905 Supporting Kinderhook

[_Mephitus]

Yes, yes. Havent posted in forever and a day. But ran across this and figured all of you would enjoy it.
(Very long read, but worth it)
http://imgur.com/a/tgXOG

Quoting the original poster:

This section of the manual presents 4 items that are supposed to serve as additional proof of either the translation powers of Joseph Smith or of ancient Hebrews in the Americas.
*The Pittsfield Hebrew Parchment
*The Newark Hebrew Tablet
*The Cincinnati Gold Plate
*The Kinderhook Plates
All of which are lost or proven fake.
The Kinderhook section is great because it still defends Joseph Smith's partial translation (the only one of these 4 he worked on) and suggests instead that the testimony of with. Fulgate who admitted that the plates were a fraud, must be false. The argument is that it must be false because only him out of the three "discoverers" blew the whistle on the forgery and that he waited 36 years to say anything instead of coming forward the second Joseph Smith release his initial translation about them being from a descendant of Ham.
And I'm just now seeing that page 314 doesn't appear to be a continuation of page 313. Whoever he had bind these into a hard cover appears to have screwed something up.

[_LDS truthseeker]

Nice find - and just when I thought there was nothing else written about the Kinderhook Plates...

[_ldsfaqs]

So what....?

People in life make all kinds of judgments based on their current understandings.
That doesn't make such "doctrine" OR "The Church".

Further, so what....? We Mormons know well that sometimes something that seemed like an evidence turns out not to be, or to be as "strong" of an evidence at first look. It happens in the real world. People are human.

Still doesn't discount the 100's of thousands of evidences related to the Church on 1,000's of subjects that DO support the Restoration.

Sorry, you lose.... To every "problem" you people think there is against the Church, there are 100's of evidences FOR the Church.

Thank God I humbled myself and put away my bigotry and unrighteous judgments toward religion, and then when I was ready and interested again, studied objectively, balanced, and seeking only the truth and not some bias.

[_Drifting]

So what....?

People in life make all kinds of judgments based on their current understandings.
That doesn't make such "doctrine" OR "The Church".

Further, so what....? We Mormons know well that sometimes something that seemed like an evidence turns out not to be, or to be as "strong" of an evidence at first look. It happens in the real world. People are human.

Still doesn't discount the 100's of thousands of evidences related to the Church on 1,000's of subjects that DO support the Restoration.

Sorry, you lose.... To every "problem" you people think there is against the Church, there are 100's of evidences FOR the Church.

Thank God I humbled myself and put away my bigotry and unrighteous judgments toward religion, and then when I was ready and interested again, studied objectively, balanced, and seeking only the truth and not some bias.

Can you give us the five evidences FOR the restoration that you think are the strongest?

[_ldsfaqs]

Can you give us the five evidences FOR the restoration that you think are the strongest?

Sure, read the book "Lehi in the Wilderness - 81 New Documented Evidences" and get the video that goes with it. It's the best compilation of evidences on one subject yet. And that's just one subject, let alone all the others related to the Restoration that prove it's validity.

by the way it's not actually 81 Evidences, it's 100's of evidences that support the 81 points mentioned in the Book of Mormon of Lehi's journey. Part of me wishes they named it differently, but I can understand the reasoning behind the name.

[_Chap]

Can you give us the five evidences FOR the restoration that you think are the strongest?

Sure, read the book "Lehi in the Wilderness - 81 New Documented Evidences" and get the video that goes with it. It's the best compilation of evidences on one subject yet. And that's just one subject, let alone all the others related to the Restoration that prove it's validity.

by the way it's not actually 81 Evidences, it's 100's of evidences that support the 81 points mentioned in the Book of Mormon of Lehi's journey. Part of me wishes they named it differently, but I can understand the reasoning behind the name.

No. The request was for you, here and now and on this board, to list explicitly the five evidences FOR the restoration that you think are the strongest. If you find that a bit hard, I suspect that Drifting would just accept your listing of five evidences that you think are amongst the strongest.

When you have done that, we can discuss them.

[_Drifting]

No. The request was for you, here and now and on this board, to list explicitly the five evidences FOR the restoration that you think are the strongest. If you find that a bit hard, I suspect that Drifting would just accept your listing of five evidences that you think are amongst the strongest.

When you have done that, we can discuss them.

This.

Ldsfaqs, or should that ldsfuqs (LDSFrequentlyUnansweredQuestions)
Put up or...well, you know the rest...

[_ldsfaqs]

Is that kinda like you all saying "there are no evidences" for the Restoration.....

After all, "put up or shut up"......

I point you people to actual evidences, and you all cry waaaa waaaa like babies.
Yes, quote a few evidences on a MESSAGE BOARD that doesn't even at all get into the context of the issue or evidence, so I can then MOCK IT, and claim "it's not convincing" or "not a good evidence" or evidence at all.

Hey, "Nahom"..... There's an evidence. One word, easy to mock, because it doesn't at all tell the 100's of facts related to the word that make it a good evidence. Not only that, but it ignores all the other evidences, of the entire journey, in the right place, right time, etc.

Oh, heavens forbid you people actually STUDY something to learn the actual truth of a thing.
You so easily study anti-mormon cherry picks of history and facts related to Mormonism, but won't take the next step and get into the real details, the full picture of an issue or cherry pick.

[_Drifting]

Is that kinda like you all saying "there are no evidences" for the Restoration.....

After all, "put up or shut up"......

I point you people to actual evidences, and you all cry waaaa waaaa like babies.
Yes, quote a few evidences on a MESSAGE BOARD that doesn't even at all get into the context of the issue or evidence, so I can then MOCK IT, and claim "it's not convincing" or "not a good evidence" or evidence at all.

Hey, "Nahom"..... There's an evidence. One word, easy to mock, because it doesn't at all tell the 100's of facts related to the word that make it a good evidence. Not only that, but it ignores all the other evidences, of the entire journey, in the right place, right time, etc.

Oh, heavens forbid you people actually STUDY something to learn the actual truth of a thing.
You so easily study anti-mormon cherry picks of history and facts related to Mormonism, but won't take the next step and get into the real details, the full picture of an issue or cherry pick.

So is Nahom your number one evidence?
What about another four?

You seem to be ducking and diving, are you embarrassed or worried the evidences you think are the strongest will turn out to be nonsense?

[Guest]

You seem to be ducking and diving, are you embarrassed or worried the evidences you think are the strongest will turn out to be nonsense?

Do you mean nonsense like stones with "NHM" inscribed in Arabic no earlier than 600 AD being used as "evidence" for the Book of Mormon?

That nonsense?